Beyond The Ice Wall Speculation?

Xander wrote:@Zen791 To be honest, I think it's certainly possible, but the Freemasons have muddied the waters so much that I think nothing short of us investigating ourselves will ever lead us to the truth. There seems to be a raft of theories to confuse and disorientate us. There's books like The Iron Republic that claim there is a pathway through the South Pole to further land and civilisations, there's also a book called The Smoky God which suggests the giants moved to the North Pole on islands around the magnetic north pole and then you have those the say the earth's image has been somehow inscribed on the moon showing there to be more land.

I think our best bet is future drone technology (or using balloons) and sending them with cameras. If we sent enough of them, one would have to break their defences.

I agree with the mason subterfuge. Probably the truth is locked away in the vatican library which is probably more difficult to enter than Antarctica.

I believe drones are the best bet as it seems the most daunting part of visiting Antarctica is how do you get back? A drone can conceivably fly over the ice wall with mounted cameras, and also fly back without risking human life.

Personally I think if the giant theory is true, then they fled south. And if that is the case, and they had land to escape to, honestly our best bet at meeting such people is if they themselves decided to return, not humans finding them.

Is there any amateur drone specialists that could be asked if it's currently possible to do any of these missions? They wouldn't need to be told what it's for, or a fake reason given. I have absolutely zero knowledge in this department but this sounds like the most doable thing at the moment.

Zen791 wrote:
I agree with the mason subterfuge. Probably the truth is locked away in the vatican library which is probably more difficult to enter than Antarctica.

I believe drones are the best bet as it seems the most daunting part of visiting Antarctica is how do you get back? A drone can conceivably fly over the ice wall with mounted cameras, and also fly back without risking human life.

Personally I think if the giant theory is true, then they fled south. And if that is the case, and they had land to escape to, honestly our best bet at meeting such people is if they themselves decided to return, not humans finding them.

It's funny, in book The Iron Republic there are clues the Freemasons either doctored it or created it. The leader of the Iron Republic just happened to have been a mason before he became leader and when the protagonist got his gold converted into their currency it was worth exactly 666! The rest is more or less a love story that feels entirely fictional to me. Oh and they all happened to speak English! The Smoky God seems more real because at least the giants spoke a different language (some form of Sanskrit from memory) and the magnetic mountain has been referenced in many works and religious texts. For this reason alone I'd be more tempted to study the North Pole first.

However, if Ewar and others are correct that the earth is much bigger and the moon image theory is true, then this could put the geographic north pole on the edge somewhere of the South Pole which could line up with your gap in the wreath theory above. This is really interesting too.

I know very little about drones, but I do think they're our best bet (or balloons of some kind). The issue I can foresee with them is battery life because the batteries will barely last in those freezing temperatures and also the cameras would have to be well insulated.

Xander wrote:I'd be more tempted to study the North Pole first.

Advantage to the North Pole - drive nearby.

I've been looking at trips to the South Pole. To leave from South Africa and land on Antarctica for a week is $96,000. And the trip doesn't take the travelers to 90th Parallel South. Only 71 ish.

Chile seems to be the same, around 100K but they say travelers get to 90 South.

I've looked at trips out of Australia and it seems those only fly above the frozen continent.

Trips out of New Zealand take the travelers to the Ross Sea. That's the same place the Chile travelers are taken too. Peculiar all things considered.

This sounds funky but.... a group of four could meet in St. Louis, rent a Chevy Suburban and drive North to Prudhoe Bay. Chevy Suburbans with unlimited mileage rent for around $1,250 per week out of STL.

I've also done some studying of Barrow, AK which is near Prudhoe Bay. Barrow isn't reachable by road, only flight or water. The town of Barrow receives one gasoline barge shipment per year. As gasoline starts running low they ration the liquid.

Moreover, this means there is open sea by Barrow and the gasoline must be coming from Prudhoe Bay.

Rent a Chevy and drag a fan/airboat North. Bring a set of drones of course. The airboat is useful because it can take the travelers from land; Prudhoe Bay to Barrow and from Barrow out to open sea to the hard ice where drones can be launched .

"Airboats are great watercraft for shallow waters and swamps. ... But with no moving parts under the water can an airboat go on land? An airboat can go over land as long as it is not rocky or very uneven. Airboats are regularly used to move across muddy areas when moving from one body of water to another."

The drive/fanboat/drone is the cheapest way to investigate.

I'll just put this picture of potential dome edge here:
I hope it has not been posted before.
It also might be a fake, take it with a grain of salt.
You can search for few other photos done by George Rayner in 1920.

Years ago it was claimed that solar powered drones could fly for nearly a month. How easy would it be to attach cameras to these?

https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/drones/a22700706/giant-solar-drone-breaks-record-for-longest-continuous-flight/

I would love to see them fly one of these from just A to B:

StillWakingUp wrote:I'll just put this picture of potential dome edge here:
I hope it has not been posted before.
It also might be a fake, take it with a grain of salt.
You can search for few other photos done by George Rayner in 1920.

It's certainly an interesting photo. It almost looks like an oil painting on textured paper.

colander bowl wrote:

Xander wrote:I'd be more tempted to study the North Pole first.

Advantage to the North Pole - drive nearby.

I've been looking at trips to the South Pole.    To leave from South Africa and land on Antarctica for a week is $96,000.  And the trip doesn't take the travelers to 90th Parallel South.  Only 71 ish.  

Chile seems to be the same, around 100K but they say travelers get to 90 South.

I've looked at trips out of Australia and it seems those only fly above the frozen continent.

Trips out of New Zealand take the travelers to the Ross Sea.  That's the same place the Chile travelers are taken too.    Peculiar all things considered.

This sounds funky but....  a group of four could meet in St. Louis, rent a Chevy Suburban and drive North to Prudhoe Bay.  Chevy Suburbans with unlimited mileage rent for around $1,250 per week out of STL.  

I've also done some studying of Barrow, AK which is near Prudhoe Bay.  Barrow isn't reachable by road, only flight or water.  The town of Barrow receives one gasoline barge shipment per year.  As gasoline starts running low they ration the liquid.  

Moreover, this means there is open sea by Barrow and the gasoline must be coming from Prudhoe Bay.  

Rent a Chevy and drag a fan/airboat North.  Bring a set of drones of course.  The airboat is useful because it can take the travelers from land; Prudhoe Bay to Barrow and from Barrow out to open sea to the hard ice where drones can be launched .  

"Airboats are great watercraft for shallow waters and swamps. ... But with no moving parts under the water can an airboat go on land? An airboat can go over land as long as it is not rocky or very uneven. Airboats are regularly used to move across muddy areas when moving from one body of water to another."

The drive/fanboat/drone is the cheapest way to investigate.    

Those prices are insane! I guess you are paying for the travel and chaperones. Unless you could find a way to slip their watch it wouldn't be worth it.

Xander wrote: Unless you could find a way to slip their watch it wouldn't be worth it.

Thinking out loud there would be no way to sneak off. Frankly, if the tours are real the tour operators would have to be bribed or the vehicles commandeered.

I think the trip from South Africa is fake.

It looks almost as if no trips land on Antarctica East of the Prime Meridian.

Didn't he go bonkers or something?

Eric, Have you seen this latest news about Antarctica?
What does it mean? Listen at 29:00 Thank you!
https://rumble.com/vxb1yr-ep.-2724b-evidence-cannot-be-stopped-the-people-will-know-soon-the-country-.html

Can someone let me know about the book Nos Confunden book that is going around. Does that sound like assumption or real?

What is Above, Below and Beyond the Flat Earth?



Three related questions frequently asked by people first coming across this subject, all of which share similar answers, are what is over, under, and outside of the Flat Earth? The shortest and most honest answer is that ultimately we don't know what is above, below, and beyond the Earth. In reality, globe believers themselves also don't know what exists in the deep recesses of the Earth anymore than they know what exists in the depths of their infinite vacuum space, but they are given definitive answers about both in the form of stories and CGI images by their heliocentric priests. As one of their own, Richard Feynman, eloquently stated however: "I would rather have questions that cannot be answered, than answers that cannot be questioned"...

True Earth and Accompanying Imagery.Zip [Drop Box]

This write up is my attempt to comprehend the Earth.
It is my attempt at filling in the gaps that the premise of Flat Earth as we understand it today has left me with.
Initially what started out as an effort to answer the visual phenomena of mud flooding. Resulted in the creation of a whole new model.
Instead of considering the Flat Earth in the rigid way that we inherited it from our globe earth indoctrinators. I have attempted to break these misconceptions.
Focusing on what I experience. focusing on the non movement of the Earth under foot. The movement of the Sun in the sky and also the movement of the Clouds as well.
From this starting point and in an attempt to answer several important questions.
I came to form a working model that consisted of a place in which life could survive (the inhabitable area).
and a place where life could not survive (the uninhabitable area).
These areas were not fixed in locality but were essentially creations of the sun's presence and lack of presence.
the sun encircling a non fixed point and creating the inhabitable area.
the inhabitable area also circling a greater circular area than itself, that I termed True Earth.
An Ice wall surrounding the inhabitable area, one half of it melting Ice as the Sun encroaches into it and the other half freezing ice as the sun leaves it behind.
The areas left behind being devoid of light and warmth. exceptionally dark and cold to the point that the gases of the sky become solid there. Encasing everything located and left there until the inhabitable area's return.
This is a quick synopsis see the beginning of the write up for a full introduction to this model.
I feel with this work I have provided valid answers to some of the most important questions related to Flat Earth.
In it I give account for:
mud flooding,
ancient building design,
issues with chronology,
the falsities of global warming,
issues with archaeology
Blue Ice/Sky Ice,
structures and buildings on the bottoms of lakes rivers and oceans,
the great flood,
the layout of the continents,
the shifting of obliquity as a visual phenomena not a ball earth one,
the adjustment of solar noon in a calendar year,
the Analemma,
the missing time and devolution of man,
with yet further elements considered.

This Society has always striven to find ways to test and approach our reality and determine truth from it. sincerely my hope is that some of you may be able to consider ways in which we can test or determine validity in the elements of this model.
A stumbling block I have found is that the conditions of the Uninhabitable area are very difficult to replicate here inside the Inhabitable Area.
Just the temperature requirements alone necessary would be around -250 degrees centigrade.
Also the extent of Area is a problem I don't want to spoil the write up but a downward applied pressure is required to achieve certain elements in the write up. (tried to keep that as spoiler free as possible). But the pressure being spread over such an expansive area and for such a large period of time is what creates that slow adjustment of level.
The aspect that evaded others when I tried to discuss this previously, was that there is no space between or within this area. the element forced downwards is encased from all around, and within. The pressure applied is not localised but across a vast distance in all directions, which is why the only element that gives way is the ground as its the only aspect that can.
Topics such as soil type, ground water content and foundations were brought up previously by others additionally. I feel these individuals missed the point or didn't read the write up.
The ground to a certain level is frozen solid and the foundations are set within that frozen ground.
Within Inhabitable conditions foundations serve to give a structure rigidity and a solid base. Within the Uninhabitable, that base just increases the surface area applied to the ground via that structure, enabling the process of subsidence and not restricting it.
I hope I didn't spoil this for anyone who hasn't read it yet. I just wished to convey this concept as I understand it clearly.
The Uninhabitable processes are not experienced in any way within the Inhabitable Area, The processes occurs over areas we would determine as world sized. it is really difficult to convey this scope and effect to others.
   
The earlier initial draft of this work was written at a time when I was amenable to the concept of religion. respectfully I am not now. Anyone who has read the original draft will note this absence. The aspects and elements that lead on from this work highlighted truths regarding religion and its biases and ultimately lead to it holding no place in my work. I have spent two years of my life knowing and understanding the flat earth. in two years I have formed this work as my understanding of the Earth, its flat nature and its role at large. I fully expect to discover new things in the years before me and discount further things I currently believe to be true. This growth is continuous and I welcome it. Each step serves a purpose when headed in the right direction. The steps I took when religiously minded allowed me to read a book I had never read before.
In its first chapter I found a clue as to the true nature of Earth.
I followed that clue to a book called Eden by Anton Parks. His book was full of aliens and ball earth nonsense and how it tied in with that first book I read, but his translations of Sumerian texts were really good.
In his Sumerian tablet translations I found description of this very model of the Inhabitable Circle being formed. It spoke of God's Called Enki and Enliven who fought one another, Enki the Great Serpent, Enliven the administrator.
Sumerian lead to Egyptian and I began to read the oldest Hieroglyphic texts noticing something. The original gods had this symbol a half circle all of them. like an indicator to something.
Then I saw it a symbol I had seen many times attached to the forehead of gods and pharaohs a snake head connected to a circle with a dot in. This is how they thought of the Ice wall of the interaction between Inhabitable and Uninhabitable they considered it like a great snake wrapped around their world their Earth. placed on the head to denote understanding of this. Enki was the great serpent. which means he is no god but in fact the mechanisms of this work personified Enki the Uninhabitable personified and Enliven the Inhabitable made flesh.
Sumerian and Egyptian both talking of the same events with different mediums, cuneiform and hieroglyphs respectively.
Going back to that half circle its a symbol of an upper half it symbolises heaven. and the symbol for earth is a line with three dots beneath. Heaven above and Earth below not as ground and sky but as two halves. The symbol for Re or Ra the sun god. a circle with a dot in the middle, like the snake glyph before. the dot being the sun, the inhabitable area the circle.
Another example is that Anubis is the god of the underworld. the jackal headed god. The jackal digs. This is symbolic because the only way to penetrate the Uninhabitable area is to dig under the frozen skies.
In burial texts those who do not find life are lost to the waters. the waters are the uninhabitable waters.
These are but a few of the aspects I am currently working with for the follow up to this work. It is not finished and I am still learning daily. But indications are clear that this model is denoted in history and I am using those historical writings to understand the beginning of this model and life as we know it.  

Please find the write up in zip form below I have supplied accompanying imagery to help understand the model and its mechanisms. I have also included George Dodwells write up in relation to the shifting obliquity for those who require it.

Hopefully I have posted this in the correct place. Thank you for your time.

True Earth and Accompanying Imagery.Zip [Drop Box]

The Stowaway: A Young Man's Extraordinary Adventure to Antarctica

I read this book last year, and there's no mention of the Billy Gawronski character in the public record before the book (that I could find). Can anyone help me vet any of this info? All I'll say is take a look at the authors name / credentials and tell me if this is more deceptive trash.

Thinkforyourself wrote:Posted by hiilikeourbeard on 06/28/2015
how to actually spot a flat earth shill: well, they LOVE talking about more land! it's the new flat earth outer space.. either way. pretty soon the movement will derail further toward the more land speculation guessing game. looooooooooooot of talk about more land lately. stinks to goddamn high heaven to me. we don't even know where the fuck we are and now all of a sudden we have all these ridiculous theories like honey combs and more earth pockets and all sorts of garbage. i understand we all want to explore our world but this is getting ridiculous the amount of talks about other earths and people outside the ice wall. mark sargent, math powerballad etc it's so fucking OBVIOUS now. they were sent to push this infinite plane agenda. it's no different than infinite space. if you can convince ball earthers there are aliens from outer space, you're golden. same with if you can convince flat earthers there are aliens from outside the wall. no different. lot of gullible people in this movement. it's getting hard for me.

I have no idea what is on the other side of the ice walls, but i definitely lean towards a dome that blocks further access. how far from the start of the ice to that wall is what i want to know. like when Truman got on the boat and reached the dome. did fighter jets really crash into the dome side wall?

Today I found this image that is said to be at UN. I never have seen it before. Is it real?



Are there more continents beyond antarctic ice?
In this thread I also found this very interesting video about blue "ice" that could be part of a firmament.
If people getting this blue and very cold ice nearby of their antarctic exploring station, it would be more unlikely to have instead another big ocean and other continents, right?

I'm just putting some thoughts together. I have no answer. However, it becomes more interesting from day to day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl2qhDMhIe4
MAP

I just watched a part of it, including the great map that is linked in the description.
In his channel you can find a lot of individual, even very short videos, which show that it is the creation of a huge adventure game.
In any case, there is a lot of imagination and an intense preoccupation with history.
And it may help a little to even imagine something concrete beyond the ice wall.

Not trying to discourage anyone, (I want to know what lies beyond as well), but has anyone stopped to think that perhaps we are not meant to venture beyond? Perhaps there is something there that should not be disturbed? Perhaps it is just cold, desolate, nothingness, and any exploration beyond is impossible for us? Would an explorer be sent to their death? People die climbing Mt. Everest. How tall would the ice wall be? Would a drone or jet even continue to function is such frigid extremes? What if we disturb something that no one is prepared to deal with? Just things to consider...

If you were able to get a drone or someone/something through without being detected, perhaps it should be a very prepared, well thought-out, mission. As you may not get another chance. I'd love to see a drone drop a robo-dog onto the ice wall and see how far the robo-dog could run.

My apologies if any of this has been addressed before. I just felt the need to voice these thoughts. Love you Eric. Love you community members. Good Luck & I pray our thirst for truth be satisfied in abundance. Peace & Love to all.

Well, it is a valid point to consider also... but as species, until we really see it can't be done, we are going to try! Based on what we know from our area, everything indicates a frozen world where our dome focal point doesn't shine. But again, maybe we just can't see other light sources... maybe there are several other domes... and one must wonder if subterranean passages would be available. It's fun to explore.

Constapated_Weiner_Dog wrote:Not trying to discourage anyone, (I want to know what lies beyond as well), but has anyone stopped to think that perhaps we are not meant to venture beyond? Perhaps there is something there that should not be disturbed? Perhaps it is just cold, desolate, nothingness, and any exploration beyond is impossible for us? Would an explorer be sent to their death? People die climbing Mt. Everest. How tall would the ice wall be? Would a drone or jet even continue to function is such frigid extremes? What if we disturb something that no one is prepared to deal with? Just things to consider...

If you were able to get a drone or someone/something through without being detected, perhaps it should be a very prepared, well thought-out, mission. As you may not get another chance. I'd love to see a drone drop a robo-dog onto the ice wall and see how far the robo-dog could run.

My apologies if any of this has been addressed before. I just felt the need to voice these thoughts. Love you Eric. Love you community members. Good Luck & I pray our thirst for truth be satisfied in abundance. Peace & Love to all.

No discouragement felt or needed.
Every man is born equal and with equal rights to explore everywhere, but this is no longer allowed. We are captives.
We CANNOT go beyond limits set by the dicks in charge.
This alone tells you there is something worth exploring.

I would love to see what is up north, but we can't go ANYWHERE near. They've set the limits adequately. No camera, drone or otherwise will get close to showing anything.
They may be dicks but they're not stupid. I wondered about mounting a P1000 on a drone but I'm pretty sure that even that would not yield any new information for the same reason.

'South' is another matter, such a hostile environment that it becomes impossible for most. Plus it's a f*cking big ring and who would have the resources to go there privately.
AND if you could, well, the same rules apply. You're not allowed.

What's a robo-dog? If it's anything like SPOT it would fail miserably. I'm pretty sure it couldn't jump the fissures and canyons everywhere, and how would you maintain a connection with it?

Cubesats are expensive but a possible way to get up high enough to satisfy our curiosity.  Together we could probably build a Cubesat from parts sourced on Ali.  The expense is getting a Cubesat into orbit.   Any ideas?  




Launch cost estimates here:

Summary

CubeSat access to space is becoming more affordable. SpaceX charges $275,000 for 50 kg and NanoRacks costs $90,000 per 1 U CubeSat.

https://www.satcatalog.com/insights/cubesat-launch-costs/

nowhereelsetogo wrote:

Constapated_Weiner_Dog wrote:Not trying to discourage anyone, (I want to know what lies beyond as well), but has anyone stopped to think that perhaps we are not meant to venture beyond? Perhaps there is something there that should not be disturbed? Perhaps it is just cold, desolate, nothingness, and any exploration beyond is impossible for us? Would an explorer be sent to their death? People die climbing Mt. Everest. How tall would the ice wall be? Would a drone or jet even continue to function is such frigid extremes? What if we disturb something that no one is prepared to deal with? Just things to consider...

If you were able to get a drone or someone/something through without being detected, perhaps it should be a very prepared, well thought-out, mission. As you may not get another chance. I'd love to see a drone drop a robo-dog onto the ice wall and see how far the robo-dog could run.

My apologies if any of this has been addressed before. I just felt the need to voice these thoughts. Love you Eric. Love you community members. Good Luck & I pray our thirst for truth be satisfied in abundance. Peace & Love to all.

No discouragement felt or needed.
Every man is born equal and with equal rights to explore everywhere, but this is no longer allowed. We are captives.
We CANNOT go beyond limits set by the dicks in charge.
This alone tells you there is something worth exploring.

I would love to see what is up north, but we can't go ANYWHERE near. They've set the limits adequately. No camera, drone or otherwise will get close to showing anything.
They may be dicks but they're not stupid. I wondered about mounting a P1000 on a drone but I'm pretty sure that even that would not yield any new information for the same reason.

'South' is another matter, such a hostile environment that it becomes impossible for most. Plus it's a f*cking big ring and who would have the resources to go there privately.
AND if you could, well, the same rules apply. You're not allowed.

What's a robo-dog? If it's anything like SPOT it would fail miserably. I'm pretty sure it couldn't jump the fissures and canyons everywhere, and how would you maintain a connection with it?

You're probably right about the robo-dog/SPOT. Perhaps 100% drone is the way to go. I agree North Pole might be better target. Think about it. We're surrounded from the middle and a circular perimeter. Idk tho... It's tough. We don't know what lies in either of these areas...

colander bowl wrote:Cubesats are expensive but a possible way to get up high enough to satisfy our curiosity.  Together we could probably build a Cubesat from parts sourced on Ali.  The expense is getting a Cubesat into orbit.   Any ideas?  




Launch cost estimates here:

Summary

CubeSat access to space is becoming more affordable. SpaceX charges $275,000 for 50 kg and NanoRacks costs $90,000 per 1 U CubeSat.

https://www.satcatalog.com/insights/cubesat-launch-costs/

This looks somewhat promising. Very expensve though. Anybody know any millionaire interesting in helping with this?