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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:05 pm

Posted by vortexkitten on 08/26/2015

Jun 17, 2015 14:44:47 GMT susie said:
There's not too many maps around as good as that one so far but there must be some out there in backwater libraries or old town mansions.
The shape, size and position of the continents is disturbing because normally it gets dismissed as inaccuracy of the surveying but it does have a Patent.
It's also titled The NEW Standard Map of the World, perhaps when they removed the southern landmass from public awareness and began re-edjufication.
Come to think of it, have we ever seen a real picture of a continent or parts of one?
States: SCIENTIFICALLY  AND PRACTICALLY CORRECT
The Falklands War did not take place for the fish.

The markings seems to indicate that land mass starts at 165 west (Appearance of Land) and goes all the way through to 90 east longitude (Termination Land).

This idea of more land matches the huge and vigilant secrecy and has my head spinning, to the point where I made a map last week with a (slightly smaller than)
Australia sized island hidden out at 120 west and 60 south but thought that was too crazy that something like that could be right under our noses. Where's Elvis?

There could easily be a low orbiting colder moon type object circling at 95 south latitude (no dome), spreading the ice across thirty degrees latitude (4000 miles?)
after which the sea and possibly more land begins again where a sun and moon turn a wider arc. It also mushrooms the theory that there are (guarded) canals for access.
Preference is to call the next line of latitude 185 latitude to allow for the full 360 degree latitude of all earth sector to where the dark sky may do it's dance.

Thing is, nobody knows, yet.

Edit: new sun appears to circle at 270 degrees latitude, theories can be made that in another ninety degrees to the outer (360), exists another significant partition.

Hi Susie, you say above "The Falklands War did not take place for the fish" I agree with you entirely 
Looking at the Territorial claims in Antarctica according to Wiki :en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_claims_in_Antarctica



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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:06 pm

Posted by The Modern Gnostic on 08/27/2015

Here is a gem of a map found at the Boston Library. Gleason's new standard map of the world : on the projection of J. S. Christopher, Modern College, Blackheath, England ; scientifically and practically correct ; as "it is."

Publisher: Buffalo Electrotype and Engraving Co.
Date: 1892
Location: World

Dimensions: 30 cm. in diameter, on sheet 55 x 39 cm.
Scale: [ca. 1,000,000]
Call Number: G3201.B71 1892 .G54x




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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:07 pm

Posted by micra on 08/27/2015

Aug 26, 2015 4:17:00 GMT The Modern Gnostic said:
Here is an incredible flat earth map found at the Boston Library. The company that published it was Buffalo Electrotype and Engraving Co. Check out the detail and precision. This map is Gleason's New Standard Map Of The World


I have found a URL that enables a zoom in on this longitude projection from Boston Public Libary:
maps.bpl.org/zoomify?baseUrl=http://maps.bpl.org/&viewer=modern&id=06_01_008377

note: should you so wish, one can exercise ones consumer rights here and purchase a reproduction.

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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:08 pm

Posted by micra on 08/27/2015

Apr 27, 2015 23:09:52 GMT lizardking said:
The maps that we are shown are all bullshit, even the BBC admitted as such. No one has a clue what a genuine map of the Earth would look like.


Constructing a Map of the Flat Earth.

"Throughout history, maps have been fundamental in shaping our view of the world, and our place in it. But far from being purely scientific objects, maps of the world are unavoidably ideological and subjective, intimately bound up with the systems of power and authority of particular times and places. Mapmakers do not simply represent the world, they construct it out of the ideas of their age."- A History of the World in Twelve Maps by Jerry Brotton.

A map. 
A chart, a plot, a delineation, a drawing, a depiction, a portrayal.

One of the biggest challenges facing a Flat Earther who wants to see a "Real Map" ,
is that" all" of the maps are constructed with the premise that the earth is round.
So any map that the Flat Earther sits down with is about as philosophically and figuratively wrong as a "guide" could be.
So one would think that it would be the simplest task to "re-map" Flat Earth.
If only by cutting out countries from an atlas and sticking them on a big piece of paper.
So where do I put my countries?
Well London is X miles from LA, Rome is X miles from Moscow…etc.
Ignoring the distorted projection from your example from an atlas, the major flaw is the distance figure. Who says its X miles?
Historically one would have had to traverse a distance to know how far away it is.
Mapping it accurately has always been a slow involved process.
Can I trust Google maps to tell me the correct distance?
One might think of questioning stated distances if one was of a doubtful disposition.
The thought of a band of flat earther's remapping the world in boats and balloons, on foot on motorbike, has a nice, post apocalyptic Will Smith story line, but it would probably take two thousand years and several trucks of gold.
Clearly another methodology is required.
Lets assume that the continental movements or crustal deformation are minimal close to negligible, we are left with a static land that is the same today as tomorrow effectively.
This is good. A constant.
The only other constants are the traversing of the Sun and the Moon.
We are slowly constructing detailed observation and hypotheses of these familiar 
objects. 
Would it be too much to plot their transit and relate their position to the earth below.
Observers could simply shout "Now!" record the time and where they are when the sun was directly above. 
The next observer records the same and so on.
Seasons pass and over time real positions could be plotted.
The more positions recorded the more accurate the map.
This of course is too obvious and there must be a flaw…..
Perhaps the seasonal movements would be too confusing.
I don't know I'm not a mathematician but I would assume these could be factored in?

Eric's post in The path of the Moon (7th March) has a diagram which helps explain the possible plotting areas of the concentric observation.

In a way the Earth is already mapped, (to an extent),
the road from my house to the next town is very well mapped
I don't need to go out and re investigate what has already had considerable time and money spent on. I don't feel that someone is lying to me about that map.
I feel that the southern lands will remain an enigma 
until a proper Flat Earth Research ship goes down and does a proper job
we are going to have to "rely" on individuals on small budgets.
Don't laugh, but somehow the embryonic socialist green movement
decades ago bought a boat and caused a lot of fuss with Rainbow Warrior.
Look what happened to that movement!
I wouldn't be surprised that within 5 years IFER's has its own research vessel
mapping the Southern Ice land.
Hopefully not funded by George Clooney or Brat Pitt but heh…..
Crazy I don't think so.

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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:08 pm

Posted by edd on 08/28/2015

I guess the biggest issue I have with the maps is the scale of Australia, having driven a car around and between the majority of Australian cities, by monitoring the time taken versus the distance traveled (going by the car odometer) it appears our street maps are fairly accurate. Based on this it would be simple to make a scaled map of Australia, the missing information is the area of the sea and the relative positions of the land areas.
Thanks for the link to the Boston library, that map has so much detail it will take some time to digest..
The way forward is to pool all our available resources and to conduct real observational research on the reality that we all now know, I'm still somewhat pissed I spent so much of my life under mind control (and am probably still under).
Fear, helplessness and insignificance are the keys to controlling people the heliocentric model is the main enabler! 

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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:09 pm

Posted by Douglas Sea on 08/30/2015

As a VFR (visual flight rules) pilot in addition to using the VOR and other radio navigation aids-"GPS" ~ which by the way we should be referring to as EPS for Earth positioning system...I use what are called sectional charts to keep track of my location above Earth...these seem to be very accurate. It would be a rather large undertaking however these could be reduced to a more manageable size and pieced together for an accurate depiction of Earth. Of course they are only available for the admitted land and I'm not sure what's available for Africa...Will look into that

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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:10 pm

Posted by Douglas Sea on 08/30/2015

Here's a nice link to look into:
skyvector.com

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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:11 pm

Posted by susie on 09/10/2015




They changed the UN map so as not to give away the flat secret it holds perhaps?
It looks to me like the proportions are a bit different on the original. Perhaps they altered the sizes to throw folks off?

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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:14 pm

Posted by Thaneus on 09/10/2015
Thanks Susie! I looked into it a little just now, and found the following:





Original version 1945, is the top, the bottom is the current version.

The team did not set out to design the logo for the United Nations, but the badge became the prototype. It was initially designed by Donal McLaughlin, who worked for Mr. Lundquist as the director of graphics for the conference...

The symbol of the globe was also slightly different in the original design, he said: “We had originally based it on what’s called an azimuthal north polar projection of the world, so that all the countries of the world were spun around this concentric circle, and we had limited it in the Southern sector to a parallel that cut off Argentina because Argentina was not to be a member of the United Nations. We centered the symbol on the United States as the host country. Subsequently, in England our design was adapted as the official symbol of the United Nations, centered on Europe as more the epicenter, I guess, of the East-West world, and took into account the whole Earth, including Antarctica. By then, of course, Argentina had been made a member.”

Source: www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/world/04lundquist.html

The other guy:

Mr. McLaughlin, who was the chief of the graphics presentation branch of the Office of Strategic Services, forerunner of the C.I.A., led a design team under the supervision of Oliver Lincoln Lundquist, who died in 2008. After considering and rejecting several prototypes, Mr. McLaughlin came up with a round emblem showing the continents against circular lines of latitude and vertical lines of longitude, framed by two overlapping olive branches...

...Rejected prototypes included a globe surrounded by chains intended to represent nations linked in peace. “Linked in peace, but also a world in chains,” Mr. McLaughlin noted. Another image showed a chimneylike brick structure, bound by the “mortar of cooperation,” with an olive branch poking out. “Could be a trademark for the Structural Clay Products Institute,” Mr. McLaughlin wrote.









edit: This is a photo of the dooshebag. Note that this man knows earth is not a globe and is a masonic manipulator.

Source: www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/arts/design/02mclaughlin.html?_r=0
(many things mentioned in this article. Take a look at what else he designed, who he was involved with etc)





It was first presented in a slightly different form from the present one at the Organisation Conference in San Francisco in April 1945, where it was distributed among delegates and the press. In 1946 a UNO-committee got the task of making a definite design, which was presented 2 Dec. 1946 and adopted by the plenary session of the UNO on 7 Dec. 1946. The earlier version had the globe 90 degrees turned eastward compared with the present flag. The change was made, according to press statements, to take North America from the center of the emblem. In German (in case I mistranslated): 'In der frühere Fassung des Symbols war der Globus gegenüber der jetzt gültigen Darstellung um 90 Grad nach Westen gedreht.' 
In a white drawing on a light blue field the globe appeared on the flag, which was adopted 20 October 1947 by the plenary session of the UNO. 
Jarig Bakker, 10 October 1999


Source: flagspot.net/flags/uno.html#sea
(also could be worth browsing)

History and Reason for change cited on wikipedia:

The organizers of the 1945 United Nations Conference on International Organization in San Francisco, California wanted an insignia that could be made into a pin to identify delegates. United States Secretary of State Edward Stettinius, Jr. was chairperson of the U.S. delegation, and realized that a temporary design might become the permanent symbol of the United Nations. He formed a committee headed by Oliver Lundquist that developed a design consisting of a world map surrounded by leaves from a design created by Donal McLaughlin.[3][4]

The blue that appears in the background of the insignia was chosen to be "the opposite of red, the war colour",[5] although the exact shade has never been officially specified by the United Nations.[6] The original colour the group chose in 1945 was a gray blue that differs from the current United Nations flag. The globe used in the original design was an azimuthal projection focused on the North Pole with the United States, the host nation of the conference, at the centre. The projection that was used cut off portions of the Southern Hemisphere at the latitude of Argentina, which was acceptable at the time, as Argentina was not planned to be an original member of the United Nations.[7] The projection was later altered so that no country will be at prominence within the flag. The new logo was now designed so that the globe is bisected in the centre by the Prime Meridian and the International Date Line.

In 1946, a UNO committee got the task of making a definite design, which was presented December 2, 1946, and adopted by the plenary session of the UNO on December 7, 1946. The earlier version had the globe 90 degrees turned eastward compared with the present flag, which has the Prime Meridian and the International Date Line forming the vertical diameter. According to press statements, the change was made to move North America away from the centre of the emblem.[8]

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_Nations

Interesting to note this also from the above page: 


Use outside UN
The UN flag is depicted in the background of former UN Secretary-General Dag Hammarskjöld on Sweden's new 1000 SEK banknote, the country's highest denomination. It is planned to be released by the central bank of Sweden in October 2015.[14]


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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:15 pm

Posted by susie on 09/16/2015





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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:16 pm

Posted by marleyites on 09/16/2015

Sept 15, 2015 23:02:56 GMT susie said:


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Thanks, Susie for the great find.

Here's the link and info found in description:


Gleason flat earth map Restoration + download
zippyshare.com/v/DpWiFVJ...
i made some labels and spacers to put the thing together


I downloaded the zip file and it has the original map, restored, restored hi res, black. look like nice files.

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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:18 pm

Posted by micra on 09/18/2015

I think the mapping of a continent such as Australia has been done really. It just needs to be put on a non-projection map.
This is easier said than done, but it is the only practical way forward.
When you have a true un-projected map you only have one small problem left...
where do you plonk it?
One has a globe distance from other points; 
a figure for Perth to Johannesburg is 5170 miles, but we want a flat distance;
it stands every chance of being a lot bigger distance if we look at our favourite  projection (the Azimuthul Equidistant).
But how far?
I used to think the answer was in Sea Navigation.
Being at sea in a boat is a lot like being a flat earth person without a map of his/her world.
The sea navigator faces several challengers when it come to navigation.
but I believe they are insurmountable in being able to accurately map distances.
I can't think of a way of independently measuring a distance (or even a direction for heavens sake)
between two points (as above for example) that doesn't require vast sums of money or sheer luck.
The problem facing the construction of a Flat Earth map is beyond huge.
I would suggest that it is looking almost impossible.

Why so defeatist?
Consider this...
Look what effort has gone on in constructing a false map of the world.
The globe map is omnipotent in its symbolism and apparent workability (if one doesn't look too closely).
"globe... globe... sphere... planet... gravity... globe... ball... sphere... projection... ball... planet... map... planet..." and so on and so on, as if you could forget...
The Flat Earth Map is a long way off.
What will come first is an awakening 
-that much is happening-
then perhaps the answers will flood out.

Until then 
we don't know where we all are.

But I'm still studying sea navigation in the mean time.

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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:20 pm

Posted by cropirate on 09/22/2015


I did a little research about map projections, made my own first simple map which I will expand in the future.I use two different projection programs, therefore the following two maps. I discovered a first interesting fact, second this fact proves the flat earth as we imagine her. My find is not mentioned in this treat, and I am sorry if this is well known and I bore you with repeating.

First my map, this is called Breusing Harmonic projection, but very simple :







Now as you can see Antarctica or the Ice-Wall in this projection is much larger, but that's of course because of the way it is projected.
The problem or question on a FE map is the circumference in relation to the globe model. Or is it not ? Lets take a look.

This map is a Azimuthal projection, that's the one we use to show/map our Earth. I had to use this kind of projection because this is made with a other program in which the Breusing Harmonic proj. is not offered, but they are different only in a few details. The circumference on the Equator is exact the same as on the globe model but our point of interest is the Ice-Wall.






As you can see we have a circumference of about 18.000 km ( 11184 mi ) at the Ice-Wall. If we take a look in the CIA Fact book about the length of the coast line of Antarctica we get this :






17 968 km (11164 mi) is the length of the coastline. It fits perfectly.

So, I hope that some questions about projections are answered.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:22 pm

Posted by thor on 09/25/2015

Sept 21, 2015 19:09:53 GMT cropirate said:
I did a little research about map projections, made my own first simple map which I will expand in the future.I use two different projection programs, therefore the following two maps. I discovered a first interesting fact, second this fact proves the flat earth as we imagine her. My find is not mentioned in this treat, and I am sorry if this is well known and I bore you with repeating.

First my map, this is called Breusing Harmonic projection, but very simple :

Now as you can see Antarctica or the Ice-Wall in this projection is much larger, but that's of course because of the way it is projected.
The problem or question on a FE map is the circumference in relation to the globe model. Or is it not ? Lets take a look.




Sorry, I might be misunderstanding what you are saying...and I am generally a bit confused after looking at the numbers  
But you say we have a circumference of about 18,000km at the ice wall following the numbers. 
And you say "The circumference on the Equator is exact the same (on the map) as on the globe model but our point of interest is the Ice-Wall"
Primarily I felt the numbers were too small and looked again..
Circumference of the globe earth is supposed to be 24,000 miles at equator (38,400 km). This would be measured at your "10,000 km" mark on your map.
As I read it, it seems the numbers on the map equals the postulated distance from the North Pole, i.e. the centre of our world, to the equator. It certainly fits with globalist thinking that the half way mark (the equator) is 10k from the pole if you google it.
Let's try and calculate some stuff based on that...
It seems somewhat logical to me that the distance from equator to the beginning of the outer rim approximates the same distance to the north pole since the sun seems to have that equator line as an offset or 'guideline' for the 'middle' between the extremes (the cold). So the 0 - 10 - 18K numbers could be in the ballpark. 
In any case we could use the distance from the North Pole to anywhere on that N/S line to calculate the perimeter.

IF the flat earth distance from the North Pole to Equator is 10K (=radius), the circumference should be 62,830 km at equator (close to 40,000 miles). That's a bit more than the ballers says - almost double - BUT they believe the 10K is following an outer curve, remember, on a 6,350 km stretch (radius) from centre to perimeter.
I don't see any issues with this length being 10K if it really were so, it has probably been measured or approximated by a few clever people during the course of history, of course, usually under the assumption that the Earth was curving.

But let's continue to the outermost mark. The circumference at the Southern Rim should be (if we use the number 18,000km) 113,094 km!
This is about 70,700 miles, or some 7 times greater than the CIA number mentioned. 

BUT it is close to what these sailor guys Eric has quoted has stated: they sailed for 60,000+ miles trying to circumnavigate the 'South Pole'.

Does it sound correct? it's getting late here Smile...

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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:22 pm

Posted by susie on 09/25/2015

American Cherokee Indians........
The Cherokee view of the world
To the Cherokees, the Earth was a flat disc of water with a large island floating in the middle. The Earth hung by four cords — one each in the north, east, south, and west — from a sky arch made of stone. This was the Middle World, where the plants, animals, and humans lived.
Above the sky arch was the Upper World. This was where the guiding and protective spirits of humans and animals lived. These spirits could move from the Upper World to the Middle World and back to help the humans keep balance and harmony on the Earth.
Below the Earth was the Under World of bad spirits. Bad spirits brought disorder and disaster. They could rise to the Middle World through deep springs, lakes, and caves. When these spirits caused trouble, Cherokees called on the spirits from the Upper World to help restore balance and harmony to the Middle World.


I got the quote from David A. on Fb but I found the refernce here also:
A North Carolina specific area Cherokee.

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Re: Flat Earth Maps

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:23 pm

Posted by thinkforyourself on 09/25/2015

Sept 24, 2015 21:24:16 GMT susie said:

American Cherokee Indians........
The Cherokee view of the world
To the Cherokees, the Earth was a flat disc of water with a large island floating in the middle. The Earth hung by four cords — one each in the north, east, south, and west — from a sky arch made of stone. This was the Middle World, where the plants, animals, and humans lived.
Above the sky arch was the Upper World. This was where the guiding and protective spirits of humans and animals lived. These spirits could move from the Upper World to the Middle World and back to help the humans keep balance and harmony on the Earth.
Below the Earth was the Under World of bad spirits. Bad spirits brought disorder and disaster. They could rise to the Middle World through deep springs, lakes, and caves. When these spirits caused trouble, Cherokees called on the spirits from the Upper World to help restore balance and harmony to the Middle World.


Thank you so much for all of your brilliant posts today Susie, we really appreciate it.  

This is especially fascinating; yet another ancient peoples who believe in a flat Earth, heaven and hell, spirits, pillars and a dome. There must be a reason why all of these ancient cultures shared so many beliefs. 

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:26 pm

Posted by cropirate on 09/25/2015

Sept 24, 2015 20:26:52 GMT thor said:


Does it sound correct? it's getting late here Smile...


Yes you are right. The numbers are too small and I worked with the wrong map and numbers.I have about 20 projections saved and in the end I took the wrong, not circumference but radius.And your conclusion makes far more sense than mine, sorry about that,really embarrassing don't know how I didn't thought twice before posting.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:26 pm

Posted by thor on 09/26/2015

Sept 25, 2015 9:52:57 GMT cropirate said:
Sept 24, 2015 20:26:52 GMT thor said:
Does it sound correct? it's getting late here Smile...

Yes you are right. The numbers are too small and I worked with the wrong map and numbers.I have about 20 projections saved and in the end I took the wrong, not circumference but radius.And your conclusion makes far more sense than mine, sorry about that,really embarrassing don't know how I didn't thought twice before posting.


no worries, just glad you see what I see   
BTW I am particularly fascinated with the shape of Australia, besides the seemingly great size of the disc. Did some checking on AU but it is difficult to find the right place to look. What I am getting at is, that it appears AU is some 3-4 times longer/wider than it is 'high' on the old maps. Usually we are presented with a more 'squarish' Australia.
A previous poster mentioned the much greater width of South America than that of North America (i.e. USA) according to cross country road lengths and flight time in contradiction to the standard Mercator map (and ball earth 'pictures'!). The old maps also (rightly?) show US to be much smaller than the Mercator map suggests. Another example of imperialistic trickery perhaps?  Wouldn't be surprised... 

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:28 pm

Posted by vortexpuppy on 09/26/2015

Sept 25, 2015 17:39:07 GMT thor said:
Sept 25, 2015 9:52:57 GMT cropirate said:
Yes you are right. The numbers are too small and I worked with the wrong map and numbers.I have about 20 projections saved and in the end I took the wrong, not circumference but radius.And your conclusion makes far more sense than mine, sorry about that,really embarrassing don't know how I didn't thought twice before posting.


 no worries, just glad you see what I see   
BTW I am particularly fascinated with the shape of Australia, besides the seemingly great size of the disc. Did some checking on AU but it is difficult to find the right place to look. What I am getting at is, that it appears AU is some 3-4 times longer/wider than it is 'high' on the old maps. Usually we are presented with a more 'squarish' Australia.
A previous poster mentioned the much greater width of South America than that of North America (i.e. USA) according to cross country road lengths and flight time in contradiction to the standard Mercator map (and ball earth 'pictures'!). The old maps also (rightly?) show US to be much smaller than the Mercator map suggests. Another example of imperialistic trickery perhaps?  Wouldn't be surprised... 


Here my calculations in an overview:




Assumes:
 - Equator is half the way from North Pole to the "outer edge".
 - Five great circles (arctic, cancer, equator, capricorn, antartic) with one center (North Pole) and one rim (South Pole)
 - Calculating the radii of the flat earth circles using the globe radius values or the surface distance values.

Values for radius and circumference of outer rim (South Pole) are somewhere between the framed values in "Flattened Earth 1" and "Flattened Earth 2". 
Most probably closer to the latter values, depending on where the ice wall is assumed to start and how far it extends southwards (outwards).
So circumference of outer rim is approximately 70.000 miles with 18.000 km radius

Note: When the metric system was set up, the meter was defined so that the distance from the equator to the pole, would be exactly ten million meters or 10,000 kilometers, making the circumference 40,000 kilometers.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:30 pm

Posted by Thaneus on 09/29/2015

Aug 27, 2015 7:21:10 GMT micra said:
maps.bpl.org/zoomify?baseUrl=http://maps.bpl.org/&viewer=modern&id=06_01_008377

note: should you so wish, one can exercise ones consumer rights here and purchase a reproduction.

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Note note: Here is the link to download a FULLSIZE copy of this detailed map:

maps.bpl.org/id/15442

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:31 pm

Posted by susie on 10/02/2015





Solstice indicator graph on Gleason Map coincides in Solarium with the seasonal movement of the sun.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:34 pm

Posted by thor on 10/07/2015

Sept 25, 2015 21:11:01 GMT vortexpuppy said:
Sept 25, 2015 17:39:07 GMT thor said:
 no worries, just glad you see what I see   
BTW I am particularly fascinated with the shape of Australia, besides the seemingly great size of the disc. Did some checking on AU but it is difficult to find the right place to look. What I am getting at is, that it appears AU is some 3-4 times longer/wider than it is 'high' on the old maps. Usually we are presented with a more 'squarish' Australia.
A previous poster mentioned the much greater width of South America than that of North America (i.e. USA) according to cross country road lengths and flight time in contradiction to the standard Mercator map (and ball earth 'pictures'!). The old maps also (rightly?) show US to be much smaller than the Mercator map suggests. Another example of imperialistic trickery perhaps?  Wouldn't be surprised... 


Here my calculations in an overview:



Assumes:
 - Equator is half the way from North Pole to the "outer edge".
 - Five great circles (arctic, cancer, equator, capricorn, antartic) with one center (North Pole) and one rim (South Pole)
 - Calculating the radii of the flat earth circles using the globe radius values or the surface distance values.

Values for radius and circumference of outer rim (South Pole) are somewhere between the framed values in "Flattened Earth 1" and "Flattened Earth 2". 
Most probably closer to the latter values, depending on where the ice wall is assumed to start and how far it extends southwards (outwards).
So circumference of outer rim is approximately 70.000 miles with 18.000 km radius

Note: When the metric system was set up, the meter was defined so that the distance from the equator to the pole, would be exactly ten million meters or 10,000 kilometers, making the circumference 40,000 kilometers.



I am very keen on this map thing, but something annoys me:
Why can't I find more 'flat earth maps'? 
Preface: I have issues looking at the Gleason map projection. The distance between Australia and South America and the vastness of the Pacific seems to me like an awful lot and it's quite asymmetrical. So I wanted to see some real old maps, maybe made from sailors and other honest people to compare.
However, searching for old maps is quite... interesting. It all seems very 'sanitised', i.e. the old maps you can find online mostly fit the 'round earth' so nicely! Only the Gleason projection and the Flat Earth Society map seems to be the only flat earth maps out there. For all I know, the FES projection could even be a cooked up map to confuse, we know how FES works, right.
And the Gleason's projection...well, why the pyramid with a shining cap stone on top? Why does it resemble the FES map so well?

But, back to my search. It didn't go well. Let me state that I searched chinese, japanese, korean, arabian and more sites with translated phrases of 'old earth map'. I still got very little flat maps and many repeat 'old' maps.
I was wondering, didn't they make maps before they were 'enlightened'? Aren't there any ancient, god-honest flat earth map out there from the time where most people knew the round earth concept was ridiculous? Some real projections build on empirical experience and sailors logs?
I certainly have trouble finding one and it doesn't make sense. Because, simply put, if there was a time where people didn't believe in the round earth, and we know there was, and they explored the world, and we know they did, then they MUST have been making maps.

A good example of this funny business is the Ortelius map from 1570. It's showing a round earth! I mean 1570,  just after the late middle ages, wasn't that looong before the time of the 'Great Brainwashing'? And the title even has the word Orbis ('Globe') in it. Was this mainstream back in 1570?





This one from 1689. No origin stated, just 'Old Earth Map 1689'...circles, longitudes that narrows at the poles....roundness ad nauseam.





The famous Piri Reis map...that 'orbis' word again in the title...anno 1513, only a few years later than the 'happy' inquisition days and 20 years after Columbus, and of Middle Eastern origin.




The story behind this 'amazing find' is quite interesting and might be telling me something. 
'Discovered' in Turkey by Gustav Adolf Deissmann in 1929, a guy who founded the 'Eranos Circle' sponsored by Olga Froebe Kapteyn who was heavily influenced by and good friends withthe Carl Jung. The 'Circle' dabbled quite a lot in the esoteric and mysticism but clearly hailed 'science' as this quote says "The combination of imaginative-creative and strictly scientific thinking has remained the reigning principle of ERANOS."
I'm just guessing maybe, but the 'science' they hail, might it not be strictly Kepplerian, Gallileonian and Newtonian 'science' perhaps?
Anyway, Gustav show this map to his pal Paul Kahle, that identifies it as made by Piri Reis. You can read about Kahle, that he "immigrated to England where he joined the University of Oxford in 1939, having been dismissed from his university post in Bonn, owing at least in great part to the fact that he had a Polish rabbi (Yechiel Yaakov Weinberg) as an assistant" ... I am just the messenger here.
In any case, the Reis map could easily in my eyes be like another 'evidence' contribution to the round earthers back in the day (where they must have been fighting off honest, hardworking plane earthers). Deissmann got a 'bunch' of old maps/documents, but only this 'round' one apparently was deemed fit for public consumption. Maybe because it supported their 'science', who knows.

in conclusion, I have a feeling that many good maps are being kept from us. Maybe there were findings of old, but maybe they were a bit too accurate? Too flat perhaps? Maybe they didn't fit the 'science' and was 'hidden'.

Why are the only old maps we are allowed to see, even from the days of yore, so 'round'? Remember that not many people believed the round earth heliocentric position just a couple of centuries ago. So there must be dozens even hundreds of old flat earth maps out there; they are just not on google.
I don't know, I just think it is fishy...

If anyone has some interesting old maps I would love to see them  

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:35 pm

Posted by thor on 10/07/2015
oh, and this was new to me: The FE Society 'logo' of the flat earth was made by 'flattening' a round earth image, it seems:








"2008-11-14 14:33 Trekky0623 543×543× (405315 bytes) {{PD-self|date=17 August 2007}} I made this map myself by creating an azimuthal projection of the entire Earth. A rendered picture of the Flat Earth model." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flat_earth.png)

Sorry if it has been mentioned before, but it was interesting to find the origins of that very much used image  

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:36 pm

Posted by thor on 10/07/2015

Scrolling thru the many maps uploaded, I like this one:

maps.bpl.org/id/15441

Trying to download it, but it takes forever.
I'm sorry, I seem to have missed these. Many good maps there!

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:37 pm

Posted by Thaneus on 10/07/2015


It definitely won't be supremely accurate. Another person mentioned clocking the coastline.

I found this here: fr.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?ei=UTF-8&type=avastbcl&hspart=avast&hsimp=yhs-001&p=oastline+circumferencec

`When the 162nd map was put aside, the total lenth of the mainland coast plus Tasmania worked out to be 30 270 km. Adding on the length of the coast of all the islands greater than 12 ha, about 16 800 km, gave a grand total of 47 070 km.

As a matter of interest and undeterred by their prior efforts, the two workers examined the effect of different divider lengths on the measured coastline. As expected, the apparent length of the coast of the mainland diminished steadily as the divider length was increased; shrinking to 10 830 km at a 1000-km intercept.'

Perhaps that can give you some ideas?

I would compare it with other maps as well.

Also I may add, about the nz/aus flights to south america, do we know how far the commercial planes in use can fly? I did notice on the qantus website that they are `subject to gov regulation`, but people say they have taken them. So I was thinking either people are lying, the planes have been upgraded and can fly further, or the distance is less between the two places...

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