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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by inerratic on Sun Aug 14, 2016 4:25 am

Without any answers to the above, my case is this: I believe that some interested parties in the past, have altered Plato and Aristotles works to include that "everyone believed the earth was spherical because as ships sailed away, they would disappear gradually from the hull to the mast". My contention is that when they replaced the flat earth with spherical, they forgot to remove the parts about the Firmament and the dome spheres. One of the domes is specifically called the "Inerratic Sphere". The spheres carry the sun, moon, planets with their related stars, the fixed stars and the sphere of the either. Obviously, the ball earth only works with the heliocentric version, so leaving the firmament and dome spheres in only works with the flat earth version. Plato and Aristotle are both full of references to the domes and their mechanisms. Any comments?
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by inerratic on Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:20 am

For those that regard Plato in high esteem, such as myself, you may research page 157 of "Theon of Smyrna, translated by R & D Lawlor. The subtitle is "Mathematics useful for understanding Plato". On the page specified, find "On the myth of Pamphylian", also in Plato's Republic. Plato's Republic, in Vol 1 of "The works of Plato" translated by Thomas Taylor, on Page 525, tells the reader about the firmament and the domes. Plato knew about the flat earth, but some interested party replaced it with the spherical Earth. They forgot to remove the references to Stars on the rotating dome. They do not co-inside with the Heliocentric stars of the rotating spherical Earth. Many interesting things about the mechanism are there, to be found. In most books of Aristotle, Plato and their good commentators (I.E. Proclus), the words, Inerratic Sphere will lead to more information about the Domes.
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by Annyonny on Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:24 am

Is this the questions thread?

I have a couple.


I've read this a couple times and as far as I can tell it seems to refute of the equation used to measure curvature, 8" per mile x the square of the distance. The logic is sound enough and I'm not sure what the counter-argument might be. What would you guys say? And wouldn't you know it, this is one of my very few takeaways from visiting FES -- evidence against flat Earth.

This is part of a series of images, but I only curious how you guys would respond to this one in particular. I suspect it's probably fallacious in some way just based on the condescending wording. Whoever made the images apparently disliked flat Earth a lot; their unrestrained personal bias raises doubts about the integrity/accuracy of their "work," as it were.
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by inerratic on Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:30 pm

Number one: The aircraft pilot does not fly the aircraft touching the ground, as the figures imply. If the aircraft were flying at 30,000 feet, you would have to add that value to your radius of the earth. Since the radius used is incorrect, we use the mean radius of the Earth as 3,959 miles, and add it to 5.6818 miles (30,000 ft) we get 3,964.6818 miles radius to the aircraft.
Number two: 2 Pi x R = circumference, or 6.283 times 3,964.6818 miles, we get: 24,910.0957 miles circumference at the flying aircrafts altitude. Distance traveled= circumference/4= 6,227.5239 miles.
Try using these values in your calculations.
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by joe on Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:15 am

Has anyone ever compared the distance between two lines of longitude along the same line of latitude both north and south of the equator?

If the Earth were truly a globe, then the distance traveled between, for example, 30W 30N <--> 31W 30N and 30W 30S <--> 31W 30S should be the same.

If the Earth were truly flat, then as the latitude line used increases (i.e. as we measure further from the equator), the distances measured in the southern hemisphere would be increasingly larger than the corresponding northern measurements.

I know this is essentially attacking the problem from the same perspective as the southern hemisphere flight routes or Antarctic circumnavigation distance questions, however it seems a pretty simple experiment that I'd expect someone to have done already.

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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by inerratic on Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:29 pm

Good question. I believe it was Captain Cook and Scott, that recorded daily discrepencies of up to 29 miles from their plotted distances when he was skirting the Antarctic coastline. Also, isn't this one of the reasons that the Airlines always travel north from the lower latitudes. There is a lot of info on this site about them. Now days you have the Antarctic Treaty blocking any outside exploration.
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by joe on Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:49 pm

Interesting.  I have started reading Cook's journals, and they are pretty fascinating.  Makes me wish I lived in a time where there was still a "true" frontier for people to explore.

I understand the Antarctic Treaty blocks any exploration in the "deep south", however, it would seem that the experiment I mentioned could be done without having to get much further north/south from the equator than 5 °, which at ~68.71 miles per degree latitude is ~343.55 miles north/south of the equator.  The distance between degrees of longitude at 5 ° latitude is supposedly ~68.91 miles (I used an online tool to get these longitude distances.  I am not allowed to post links, but you can search for "Length Of A Degree Of Latitude And Longitude Calculator" on google to find what I used.  It was on the msi.nga.mil domain).

On a globe Earth, then, we would expect, for example, 5°N 70°W to 5°N 71°W and 5°S 70°W and 5°S 71°W to each be ~68.91 miles apart.
On a flat Earth, we would expect 5°S 70°W to 5°S 71°W to be further apart than that.

On a globe Earth, we know that the "longitude distance" should be greatest at the equator (~69.17, according to that site), and at the pole, it is effectively 0.  At 89° latitude, it is only ~1.21 miles.
On a flat Earth, the southern "longitude distances" should all be longer than ~69.17 miles.

Are there any members here living in the southern hemisphere who has the necessary time/money/equipment/etc to go ahead and measure the distance between adjacent degrees of longitude while travelling directly east/west?

Alternatively, is there any reason this experiment might not be definitive?  As far as I can tell, the only potential weakness would be due to GPS-based longitude measures being somehow manipulated, however that seems unlikely, since I would assume that a GPS device in the southern hemisphere was "reliable" in that, for instance, a circumnavigation of the globe would show a continuous change in longitude, with the original/final position having the same measured longitude.  If that wasn't the case, it seems it would be pretty difficult to cover that fact up, and would itself be solid proof that the shape of the Earth is not a "settled" matter.

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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by inerratic on Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:23 pm

That would be a great experiment for someone south of the equator to try, since the airplane flight distances are adjusted to make them fit the ball. Take a look at the "Azmuthal Equaldistant" projection map. The "Gleason's New Standard Map of the World", of 1892 is such a map. As for the GPS, look into the FE videos on airlines flights in the southern hemisphere. So many false flights, who's tracking is shut off 1 hr after takeoff and 1hr before landing tend to make you believe in the manipulation.
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by FL@T-E@RTH on Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:44 pm

The GPS is not 'switched off' in the Southern hemisphere, all GPS uses 3 land-based towers and due to the lack of land and all the open sea the planes can not be triangulated, this is why you see them at the start of their flight on the GPS, then they disappear before magically reappearing just before landing as they then can be triangulated from 3 land based towers as they approach land.
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by inerratic on Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:56 pm

Sorry, my bad, I did not mean the GPS was switched off, but the tracking on "planefinder.net". Someone had brought up the concept that if the tracking was not working for any reason, the passengers could not be found and rescued, if the aircraft went down.
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by eeken on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:56 am

Hi tried to start a thread about this but maybe that was wrong, didn't know the rules hehe... My question was this: How come no one of the other major researchers like David Icke, Jordan Maxwell etc talks about the Flat Earth? I know Eric mentioned that they are all long bought for and paid for and what I want to bring up to discussion is that do you guys mean these people as well? I have a hard time believing that David Icke is controlled opposition do you guys think so?

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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by FL@T-E@RTH on Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:00 am

David Icke is certainly controlled opposition and he will not talk about Flat Earth because it contradicts all his crackpot bullshit books, he 'postulates' the Moon is a hollow space ship built by Aliens, the Royal Family are shape-shifting lizards and so on.

He was shown to be the true money-man he has always been with his 'peoples voice' venture which raised well over £1 Million.
The initial campaign asked for £100,000 to fund the first year and raised over £370,000, but within 4 weeks he was asking for more and raised another £300,000 and then within 4 months all the money was gone and TPV disappeared less than 6 months after it started.


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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by eeken on Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:34 am

That's interesting I have always liked his stuff but definitely thought it was weird that he hasn't brought up the Flat Earth etc. And yea his aliens reptilian things can be kinda far out hehe. So you say he is basically a con or is some of the things he says good? I mean like do you guys think he is just ignorant or purposely avoiding the Flat Earth?

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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by RelearningLogic on Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:28 am

eeken wrote:I mean like do you guys think he is just ignorant or purposely avoiding the Flat Earth?

Didn't FL@T-E@RTH answer you very clearly?
Would a paid controlled opposition be really be willing to tell you the full truth?

If you don't know what a controlled opposition mean, read the other the topic here and educate yourself

http://ifers.123.st/f10-flat-earth-shills-trolls-and-controlled-opposition

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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by inerratic on Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:49 pm

I am a little afraid of opening a new topic about Plato, because of all the warnings above. Can I get permission to do so from admin. before I try. There is much more info on FE in Aristotle and Plato of great interest, that I think would justify it's own Topic.
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by Admin on Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:19 am

Hey Inerratic, that sounds worthy of its own topic, thanks for sharing your research. Peace
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by inerratic on Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:57 pm

Thank you Admin. I started, Aristotle, Plato and their Commentators, in Reference Materials.
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by ABalancedKarma on Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:49 pm

david icke is a paid shill. and gullible people is making him even more rich. his "researches" are total bullshits and crap! I once saw a video of one of his "show", and he said some shit like "saturn was our ancient sun before the actual sun"... sure! that's major sign of a jew puppet, look at what saturn means to those scumbags!

also, he was using a very bad, talentless and really crap band that played some shitty music, named "ancient order", with a crystal clear occult symbol. they are on youtube if you want to listen to crap music. eventually, these sellouts had a decent production, I guess a bunch of masons literally managed to make them sound a bit "hip", or at least less amateurish, and they are now making an album... that said, fuck david icke and fuck these talentless sellouts.

P.S. about shapeshifters reptilians: jews like to mock us with that crap. dragons, lizard/serpent men, green aliens and the like are just their way to make fun of us. they are like cold-blooded animals, and they know it, that's why they identified with reptiles. just like in "they live", they're depicting themselves like some supernatural beings, but they are just psychopaths.
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by thugnastylol on Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:25 am

harounkola wrote:I've come across this YouTube channel today and I want to know some of the answers to the question this video makers asks of Flat Earthers.

youtube.com/channel/UCx3s3t5kpD4VMfJjDi5keXw

The videos are at:
youtube.com/watch?v=JgY8zNZ35uw

And:
youtube.com/watch?v=TeMooNFtFJk

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Take a look through the forum, there is so much info to digest here. If there are specific questions that are not covered in the main forums, please post each specifically in the correct thread to get the best answer.

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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by ScorpiusBey on Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:42 pm

Does the precession of the equinoxes fit in with the flat earth model, and what about the claims from the "new age movement" followers that we are entering into the age of aquarius?

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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by Schpankme on Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:14 pm

ScorpiusBey wrote:
precession of the equinoxes

Polaris is the Pole Star, there has never been "precession" or changing of the Pole Star.
Latin: Stella Polaris, means "Pole Star"
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by ScorpiusBey on Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:51 pm

Schpankme wrote:
ScorpiusBey wrote:
precession of the equinoxes

Polaris is the Pole Star, there has never been "precession" or changing of the Pole Star.
Latin: Stella Polaris, means "Pole Star"
no precession also means there are no astrological ages right?

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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by Schpankme on Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:27 pm

ScorpiusBey wrote:
no precession
no astrological ages right

Correct, no precession means no astrological ages.
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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by Leinad¥ on Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:33 pm

inerratic wrote:Without any answers to the above, my case is this: I believe that some interested parties in the past, have altered Plato and Aristotles works to include that "everyone believed the earth was spherical because as ships sailed away, they would disappear gradually from the hull to the mast". My contention is that when they replaced the flat earth with spherical, they forgot to remove the parts about the Firmament and the dome spheres. One of the domes is specifically called the "Inerratic Sphere". The spheres carry the sun, moon, planets with their related stars, the fixed stars and the sphere of the either. Obviously, the ball earth only works with the heliocentric version, so leaving the firmament and dome spheres in only works with the flat earth version. Plato and Aristotle are both full of references to the domes and their mechanisms. Any comments?

When they add things like 'firmament' and some flat earth clues it actually creates more confusion than if it was without because it errs direction.

I don't think they 'forget' anything. They know people will eventually find out the earth is flat, their motto is to reduce the amount of people that do, and if possible; to lead the opposition. These people are incredibly smart and make theories that mimic reality and to say they forgot to remove something as huge as that out of a plan thousands of years in the making is ludicrous.

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Re: Questions About the Flat Earth

Post by Schpankme on Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:54 pm

Leinad¥ wrote:
Plato and Aristotles believed the earth was spherical
they forgot to remove the parts about the Firmament and the dome spheres

These people make theories that mimic reality
to say they forgot to remove something
out of a plan thousands of years in the making is ludicrous

There is another answer; create Men that are super geniuses who it is claimed existed 2,000 years ago (Atheism vs Theism), and who claim that every light source seen in the distance are in fact Spaceballs, illuminated by the Sun in a Heliocentric universe; and all these claims can be proof for future geniuses, "without ever proving it".


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