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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:50 pm

Posted by schpankme on 04/06/2015
"Their writings totaled "in all, two thousand two hundred and thirty-one scrolls and legendary tales of gods and saviors."
(Life of Constantine, op. cit., vol. ii, p. 73; N&PNF, op. cit., vol. i, p. 518).

If you're looking for a magical man, who had just enough intelligence to get himself tortured and put to death, at the age 
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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:52 pm

Posted by faithfultotruth on 04/08/2015

Apr 4, 2015 16:51:26 GMT schpankme said:
The correct reference should be to Vishnu, who represents one of the three (trinity) principal denominations of Hinduism.
Vishnu is generally considered to be God, while Krishna is considered his incarnation. Should we say the SUN/SON of God?  You could argue this point till your blue in the face!

The letter  " J "  wasn't in use till about the 12th century, could you provide the name of "Jesus Christ" before that period?




YeHoshuWa or YeHoshuWaH, the Father's name (YHWH or YeHoWaH)is in the Son's name. The bibles of the world have th Father's name as Jehovah. The J and V are incorrect. 
I found YeHoshuWaH in the old testament when I noticed the niv used Joshua for Jesus, so I looked up the hebrew name for Joshua, it was yehôshûa or יהושׁע   יהושׁוּע
Which made me research the Father's name, I found in the old testament; yehôvâh or יהוה.
Reading left to right, the Father's name is in His son's name.
I got curious about the vowels, because they weren't shown in the hebrew, just the consonants are there.
Than I found this video talking about the vowels.
This is the title on youtube: "Nehemia Gordon Talking About Shattering the Conspiracy of Silence with Christine Darg"
I hope this answers your question.
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Re: Hesus Krishna/General Ancient Religious Figures and Myths

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:53 pm

Posted by schpankme on 04/08/2015

Apr 8, 2015 7:10:16 GMT faithfultotruth said:
YeHoshuWa or YeHoshuWaH, the Father's name (YHWH or YeHoWaH)is in the Son's name. 




Make no mistake about it, the old testimony (Talmud) is HINDU in origin. It has been crafted over the centuries to fit 
in with the scribe making the changes, with places and names.

HINDUISM = more than 10,000 yrs old
JUDAISM  = about 4,000 yrs old
CHRISTIANITY = about 2,000 yrs old
ISLAM = about 1,000 yrs old

Belief in Creation affirms the sacredness of all beings. Religion as read from  books  affirms  that  Humanity  has  the 
right to kill other Beings, and to exploit Creation. The justifications for animal sacrifice, enslavement  and  animism 
was obviously inserted into the scriptures by PEOPLE interested in wealth, and not in the health of humanity or that 
of other creatures. The Basis of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all teach slavery, hate and the  diet  of  carnivorism; 
these Sects promote Economics, not Spirituality. 

You cannot obey GOoD and dEVIL at the same time.

The blue God Shiva venerated by mainstream Hindus commands vegetarianism as the diet, compassion for animals 
and does not  respect  castes  or  classes.   Shiva  does  not  at  all  fit  in  with  what  has  become  orthodox  Judaism, 
Christianity and Islamic religions, or more  properly  speaking, Sects,  which  promote  animal  sacrifice  as  the  diet, 
sickness of the human body, and elitist societies of rich and poor. Elitist societies is the euphemism for slavery in one 
degree or another. Slavery is an institution which is portrayed as acceptable in both  the  Old  and  New  Testaments, 
and Koran.

Shiva or Sheba, which  means  seven (7),  'he'  is  the  Lord  of  the  Shabbath  (Hebrew)  and  Sabbath  (English). The 
etymology  of  the  word   Shabbath  or  Sabbath  is  in  reference  to  Shiva,  though  it  is  not  acknowledged  by  the 
orthodoxy Jewry.  When  the  relevant  names  of  Shiva are aligned with the Hebrew and English designations of the 
'seventh day', it is rather easy to see the etymological connection.

Orthodox Judaism contradicts itself with  the  Jewish  Yeshiva,  which  is  a  school  or  academy  where  one  studies 
Judaism. The name Yeshiva is a rather direct reference to  Shiva,  though  this  is  not  acknowledged  by  the  Jewish 
orthodoxy. As can be seen, Shiva  is  the  original  deity  of  Judaism,  and  the  original  Jews  were  Sabeans,  that  is 
followers of Sabea, Sheba, Seba, all of which are names of Shiva.

Judaism was originally vegetarian and  'creation  centered',  the  cult  that  overthrew  the  vegetarians  are  'human 
centered', they teach that humans are superior to all other creatures, instead of being their equals.

Zechariah 11:4-5, “Thus said the Lord my God: Become shepherd of the flock doomed to  slaughter.  Those  who  buy 
them slay them and go unpunished; and those who sell them say, "Blessed  be  the  Lord,  I have  become  rich";  and 
their own shepherds have no pity on them.”

In Sirach we see the 'human-centered' cult that became the Orthodox Jews, contrasted with the view of the Creator 
who loves all creation infinitely and who had established a vegetarian covenant.

Sirach 18:13, "The compassion of man is for his neighbor, but the compassion of the Lord is for all living beings."

"the compassion of man is for his neighbor" : human-centered
"the compassion of the Lord is for all living beings" : creation-centered

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Re: Hesus Krishna/General Ancient Religious Figures and Myths

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:53 pm

Posted by faithfultotruth on 04/09/2015

Apr 8, 2015 11:57:28 GMT schpankme said:
Make no mistake about it, the old testimony (Talmud) is HINDU in origin. It has been crafted over the centuries
to fit in with the scribe making the changes, with places and names.

HINDUISM = more than 10,000 yrs old
JUDAISM = about 4,000 yrs old
CHRISTIANITY = about 2,000 yrs old
ISLAM = about 1,000 yrs old

Belief in Creation affirms the sacredness of all beings. Religion as read from books affirms that Humanity has 
the right to kill other Beings, and to exploit Creation. The justifications for animal sacrifice, enslavement and 
animism was obviously inserted into the scriptures by PEOPLE interested in wealth, and not in the health of 
humanity or that of other creatures. The Basis of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all teach slavery, hate and 
the diet of carnivorism; these Sects promote Economics, not Spirituality. 

You cannot obey GOoD and dEVIL at the same time.

The blue God Shiva venerated by mainstream Hindus commands vegetarianism as the diet, compassion for 
animals and does not respect castes or classes. Shiva does not at all fit in with what has become orthodox 
Judaism , Christianity and Islamic religions, or more properly speaking, Sects, which promote animal sacrifice 
as the diet, sickness of the human body, and elitist societies of rich and poor. Elitist societies is the euphemism 
for slavery in one degree or another. Slavery is an institution which is portrayed as acceptable in both the Old 
and New Testaments, and Koran.

Shiva or Sheba, which means seven (7), 'he' is the Lord of the Shabbath (Hebrew) and Sabbath (English). The 
etymology of the word Shabbath or Sabbath is in reference to Shiva, though it is not acknowledged by the 
orthodoxy Jewry. When the relevant names of Shiva are aligned with the Hebrew and English designations of 
the 'seventh day', it is rather easy to see the etymological connection.

Orthodox Judaism contradicts itself with the Jewish Yeshiva, which is a school or academy where one studies 
Judaism. The name Yeshiva is a rather direct reference to Shiva, though this is not acknowledged by the Jewish 
orthodoxy. As can be seen, Shiva is the original deity of Judaism, and the original Jews were Sabeans, that is 
followers of Sabea, Sheba, Seba, all of which are names of Shiva.

Judaism was originally vegetarian and 'creation-centered', the cult that overthrew the vegetarians are 
'human-centered', they teach that humans are superior to all other creatures, instead of being their equals.

Zechariah 11:4-5, “Thus said the Lord my God: Become shepherd of the flock doomed to slaughter. Those who 
buy them slay them and go unpunished; and those who sell them say, "Blessed be the Lord, I have become rich"; 
and their own shepherds have no pity on them.”

In Sirach we see the 'human-centered' cult that became the Orthodox Jews, contrasted with the view of the 
Creator who loves all creation infinitely and who had established a vegetarian covenant.

Sirach 18:13, "The compassion of man is for his neighbor, but the compassion of the Lord is for all living beings."

"the compassion of man is for his neighbor" : human-centered
"the compassion of the Lord is for all living beings" : creation-centered





Schpankme, I understand that their have been religions prior to "Christianity". I'm not sure where all that came from out of the Hebrew name for the Father and his son. I was expressing the name of Jesus Christ is also known as Yehoshua or Yehowshuwa ask the question had been asked. 
As a side note, Zechariah 11:4-5 is totally taken out of context. This scripture is the father, our Creator, explaining that there is going to be a great war against those who have risen up against His chosen people. He mentions in the previous chapters of His plan for those who have treated his people with such evil that there will be war. In the above scripture God is pointing out what has been happening to his chosen people. Pagans are taking God's people and selling them, killing them, disregarding them as human, but only as stock. God is angry with what he sees and he is warning that war is coming to the land. Then in the following chapters he talks about the hope that is coming, that is His son, even prophecying through Zechariah how his son will die as the final sacrifice, the final slaughterr for redemption.
I see in our news that Christians are being sold and slaughtered for their blood. People are actually getting rich off of the blood of Christians and no seems to be in an uproar over this massacre of God's creatures. 
There is a lot of hate towards each other in this world and it has been that way from the beginning. Even the Lord's chosen people of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) have continually rebelled against God, and God continues to reach out to them. 
I totally understand your perspective and the beliefs and unbeliefs you have chosen. I enjoy the Flat Earth information I can gather and expound on, but I also have chosen my faith and that is repentance towars God the Father and faith in his son, Jesus Christ or as in hebrew, Yehoshuwa. I can never change your mind or help you to see what I see, because the truth I have chosen, the king james bible, you see as foolishness. that is ok with me. You are responsible for your soul as I am for mine. One day as written in God's Word, we shall all come before him for judgement. Then we will all know the absolute truth. If I am rewarded for this life, amen. If I am punished for this life, so be it. I love all of God's creation and I am far from perfect, but I go to sleep praying for those that are suffering around the world, asking God to have mercy on them and give them a way of escape from where they are in bondage. My heart is broken daily, I can scarcely bare the way the world is today, with such death and destruction. I love seeking the truth in all things. But the only truth I have is the Word of God and this ord will be what God judges me from as he has written in his scriptures. Much of what a lot of you talk about with the history of Christianity is true, written down by those who won the wars. and I do not agree with the Catholic Church, or many of the other christian religions that basically are birthed out of the Catholic Church because of those who disagreed with te teachings. Much has been hidden, but the truth of God is out there. The question is, have we found it?
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Re: Hesus Krishna/General Ancient Religious Figures and Myths

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:54 pm

Posted by lizardking on 04/09/2015

Apr 8, 2015 18:47:10 GMT faithfultotruth said:
Schpankme, I understand that their have been religions prior to "Christianity". I'm not sure where all that came from out of the Hebrew name for the Father and his son. I was expressing the name of Jesus Christ is also known as Yehoshua or Yehowshuwa ask the question had been asked. 
As a side note, Zechariah 11:4-5 is totally taken out of context. This scripture is the father, our Creator, explaining that there is going to be a great war against those who have risen up against His chosen people. He mentions in the previous chapters of His plan for those who have treated his people with such evil that there will be war. In the above scripture God is pointing out what has been happening to his chosen people. Pagans are taking God's people and selling them, killing them, disregarding them as human, but only as stock. God is angry with what he sees and he is warning that war is coming to the land. Then in the following chapters he talks about the hope that is coming, that is His son, even prophecying through Zechariah how his son will die as the final sacrifice, the final slaughterr for redemption.
I see in our news that Christians are being sold and slaughtered for their blood. People are actually getting rich off of the blood of Christians and no seems to be in an uproar over this massacre of God's creatures. 
There is a lot of hate towards each other in this world and it has been that way from the beginning. Even the Lord's chosen people of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) have continually rebelled against God, and God continues to reach out to them. 
I totally understand your perspective and the beliefs and unbeliefs you have chosen. I enjoy the Flat Earth information I can gather and expound on, but I also have chosen my faith and that is repentance towars God the Father and faith in his son, Jesus Christ or as in hebrew, Yehoshuwa. I can never change your mind or help you to see what I see, because the truth I have chosen, the king james bible, you see as foolishness. that is ok with me. You are responsible for your soul as I am for mine. One day as written in God's Word, we shall all come before him for judgement. Then we will all know the absolute truth. If I am rewarded for this life, amen. If I am punished for this life, so be it. I love all of God's creation and I am far from perfect, but I go to sleep praying for those that are suffering around the world, asking God to have mercy on them and give them a way of escape from where they are in bondage. My heart is broken daily, I can scarcely bare the way the world is today, with such death and destruction. I love seeking the truth in all things. But the only truth I have is the Word of God and this ord will be what God judges me from as he has written in his scriptures. Much of what a lot of you talk about with the history of Christianity is true, written down by those who won the wars. and I do not agree with the Catholic Church, or many of the other christian religions that basically are birthed out of the Catholic Church because of those who disagreed with te teachings. Much has been hidden, but the truth of God is out there. The question is, have we found it?
Take care 



The King James Bible? Really?

If you care about seeking the truth then don't be scared to abandon God's "word" (which God has a chosen people?) which is really just the collection and corruption of old Pagan fables--the same Pagans that you apparently don't consider to be God's people.

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Re: Hesus Krishna/General Ancient Religious Figures and Myths

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:54 pm

Posted by faithfultotruth on 04/09/2015

Apr 8, 2015 19:14:17 GMT lizardking said:
Apr 8, 2015 18:47:10 GMT faithfultotruth said:
Schpankme, I understand that their have been religions prior to "Christianity". I'm not sure where all that came from out of the Hebrew name for the Father and his son. I was expressing the name of Jesus Christ is also known as Yehoshua or Yehowshuwa ask the question had been asked. 
As a side note, Zechariah 11:4-5 is totally taken out of context. This scripture is the father, our Creator, explaining that there is going to be a great war against those who have risen up against His chosen people. He mentions in the previous chapters of His plan for those who have treated his people with such evil that there will be war. In the above scripture God is pointing out what has been happening to his chosen people. Pagans are taking God's people and selling them, killing them, disregarding them as human, but only as stock. God is angry with what he sees and he is warning that war is coming to the land. Then in the following chapters he talks about the hope that is coming, that is His son, even prophecying through Zechariah how his son will die as the final sacrifice, the final slaughterr for redemption.
I see in our news that Christians are being sold and slaughtered for their blood. People are actually getting rich off of the blood of Christians and no seems to be in an uproar over this massacre of God's creatures. 
There is a lot of hate towards each other in this world and it has been that way from the beginning. Even the Lord's chosen people of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) have continually rebelled against God, and God continues to reach out to them. 
I totally understand your perspective and the beliefs and unbeliefs you have chosen. I enjoy the Flat Earth information I can gather and expound on, but I also have chosen my faith and that is repentance towars God the Father and faith in his son, Jesus Christ or as in hebrew, Yehoshuwa. I can never change your mind or help you to see what I see, because the truth I have chosen, the king james bible, you see as foolishness. that is ok with me. You are responsible for your soul as I am for mine. One day as written in God's Word, we shall all come before him for judgement. Then we will all know the absolute truth. If I am rewarded for this life, amen. If I am punished for this life, so be it. I love all of God's creation and I am far from perfect, but I go to sleep praying for those that are suffering around the world, asking God to have mercy on them and give them a way of escape from where they are in bondage. My heart is broken daily, I can scarcely bare the way the world is today, with such death and destruction. I love seeking the truth in all things. But the only truth I have is the Word of God and this ord will be what God judges me from as he has written in his scriptures. Much of what a lot of you talk about with the history of Christianity is true, written down by those who won the wars. and I do not agree with the Catholic Church, or many of the other christian religions that basically are birthed out of the Catholic Church because of those who disagreed with te teachings. Much has been hidden, but the truth of God is out there. The question is, have we found it?
Take care 



The King James Bible? Really?

If you care about seeking the truth then don't be scared to abandon God's "word" (which God has a chosen people?) which is really just the collection and corruption of old Pagan fables--the same Pagans that you apparently don't consider to be God's people.




Lizardking, all is relative. Because our views are different doesn't mean I'm right and your wrong or visa versa. I have my path and you have yours. Like I mentioned earlier, my beliefs can be seen as foolishness as other's beliefs can seem that way to me. I don't know if I am capable to express 40 years of life with Almighty God, but He has never failed me, he has always been faithful to me and what more can I say. I love Him and what He has taught me in His Word with the help of His Holy Spirit has been incredible. I have studied out other beliefs, many actually, and I find them unrewarding and empty. That is my perspective of them, but you may see things differently. I am not here on this forum to convince anyone to change their belief system to anything other than where they are today. If the Holy Spirit calls you to study the Word, go study. I am just a creation of the Almighty who has received His truths gladly and they have served my life well. I'm very content where I am. I know the chatter on the King James bible, but it is what I have and I have studied it throughly. There are no errors, the Word of God explains itself and that is always what I rely on. Years ago, I fell in the trap of proving the bible to others, my sweat and time was spent in giving the answers,while the nay sayer reaped the rewards of the answer without sweat and time. I know the answers are there, because I've already been there, done that. When truth seekers are sincere about truth, they will spend their time and sweat rather than others. Like many of you do on this forum. That is what impressed me to stay. The road of truth is dangerous and we could all possibly loose our earthly lives over it, but there is one Creator of all and it must grieve Him to see his creation waring and snuffing out life which he gave to each of us. Loving us, having patience despite our ignorance. He is an amazing Creator. I can't wait to someday meet Him, until then, I can only be faithful to what He has given to me to live my life as Holy as he has asked. Which I fall short everyday of my life. 

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:56 pm

Posted by on 04/09/2015
It's important, and sometimes difficult to not feel emotional about these really important things.
I hope I would resist too strongly in moving to a different view based on evidence provided and a discerning mind.
I'm Buddhist and I've mostly just been reading all the threads.
I'm a Flat-Earther too. I've read lots etc, all Eric's and most of his quoted literature :-) Very grateful to him.
Anyway, in the Buddhism I follow, it flips other forms of Buddhism in their head, and reveals Buddha's eternal life, that he gained The Way in the beginning less past, and the the Shakyamuni that gained enlightenment under the Bodhi Tree was a provisional Shakyamuni from provisional teaching and not the true teaching (which he expounded as the Lotus sutra).
It turns out that Buddhism expounds a flat-earth too!
It's Nichiren Buddhism I'm practicing.
www.sgi-uk.org
I'm NOT trying to convince anyone, just sharing 
In terms of creation, I think we might be self-creating, dependant origination and all that jive!
Hmmm, maybe this is now totally off-topic?
In terms of a real person. Nichiren Daishonin lived!
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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:56 pm

Posted by lizardking on 04/09/2015

Apr 8, 2015 19:49:31 GMT faithfultotruth said:
Lizardking, all is relative. Because our views are different doesn't mean I'm right and your wrong or visa versa. I have my path and you have yours. Like I mentioned earlier, my beliefs can be seen as foolishness as other's beliefs can seem that way to me. I don't know if I am capable to express 40 years of life with Almighty God, but He has never failed me, he has always been faithful to me and what more can I say. I love Him and what He has taught me in His Word with the help of His Holy Spirit has been incredible. I have studied out other beliefs, many actually, and I find them unrewarding and empty. That is my perspective of them, but you may see things differently. I am not here on this forum to convince anyone to change their belief system to anything other than where they are today. If the Holy Spirit calls you to study the Word, go study. I am just a creation of the Almighty who has received His truths gladly and they have served my life well. I'm very content where I am. I know the chatter on the King James bible, but it is what I have and I have studied it throughly. There are no errors, the Word of God explains itself and that is always what I rely on. Years ago, I fell in the trap of proving the bible to others, my sweat and time was spent in giving the answers,while the nay sayer reaped the rewards of the answer without sweat and time. I know the answers are there, because I've already been there, done that. When truth seekers are sincere about truth, they will spend their time and sweat rather than others. Like many of you do on this forum. That is what impressed me to stay. The road of truth is dangerous and we could all possibly loose our earthly lives over it, but there is one Creator of all and it must grieve Him to see his creation waring and snuffing out life which he gave to each of us. Loving us, having patience despite our ignorance. He is an amazing Creator. I can't wait to someday meet Him, until then, I can only be faithful to what He has given to me to live my life as Holy as he has asked. Which I fall short everyday of my life. 


www.av1611.org/nkjv.html No errors? 

Clearly you are firm tight in your beliefs and I have no interest in trying to change them. 

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:57 pm


Posted by schpankme on 04/09/2015



Apr 8, 2015 18:47:10 GMT faithfultotruth said:
As a side note, Zechariah 11:4-5 is totally taken out of context.




Zechariah 11:1-6
Thus says the Lord my God, “Pasture the flock doomed to slaughter. Those who buy them slay them and go 
unpunished, and each of those who sell them says, ‘Blessed be the Lord, for I have become rich!’ And their 
own shepherds have no pity on them. 

For I will no longer have pity on the inhabitants of the land,” declares the Lord; “but behold, I will cause the 
men to fall, each into another’s power and into the power of his king; and they will strike the land, and I will 
not deliver them from their power.”


The passage is very specific, it first uses an example of the mindless Shepherd, who like AbEL (AbnormEL), 
killed the Animals instead of protecting them, so to be granted favors by Gods, or as is this example; "to 
become rich!"

You skipped over the part where it shows that the Bible is copied from other Religions:

Judaism contradicts itself with the Yeshiva, which is a school where one studies Judaism. The name Yeshiva 
is a direct reference to Shiva, which is the original deity of Judaism, and the original Jews were Sabeans, 
that is followers of Sabea, Sheba, Seba, all of which are names of Shiva.

Whatever name you apply to Jesus, is immaterial, the Bible is a known forgery, which is human-centric; 
teaching, slavery, hate and the diet of carnivorism.

"Christianity is an adaptation of Mithraism welded with the Druidic principles of the Culdees, some Egyptian 
elements (the pre-Christian Book of Revelation was originally called The Mysteries of Osiris and Isis), Greek 
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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:58 pm

Posted by faithfultotruth on 04/09/2015

Apr 8, 2015 22:03:10 GMT schpankme said:
Apr 8, 2015 18:47:10 GMT faithfultotruth said:
As a side note, Zechariah 11:4-5 is totally taken out of context.


Zechariah 11:1-6
Thus says the Lord my God, “Pasture the flock doomed to slaughter. Those who buy them slay them and go 
unpunished, and each of those who sell them says, ‘Blessed be the Lord, for I have become rich!’ And their 
own shepherds have no pity on them. 

For I will no longer have pity on the inhabitants of the land,” declares the Lord; “but behold, I will cause the 
men to fall, each into another’s power and into the power of his king; and they will strike the land, and I will 
not deliver them from their power.”


The passage is very specific, it first uses an example of the mindless Shepherd, who like AbEL (AbnormEL), 
killed the Animals instead of protecting them, so to be granted favors by Gods, or as is this example; "to 
become rich!"

You skipped over the part where it shows that the Bible is copied from other Religions:

Judaism contradicts itself with the Yeshiva, which is a school where one studies Judaism. The name Yeshiva 
is a direct reference to Shiva, which is the original deity of Judaism, and the original Jews were Sabeans, 
that is followers of Sabea, Sheba, Seba, all of which are names of Shiva.

Whatever name you apply to Jesus, is immaterial, the Bible is a known forgery, which is human-centric; 
teaching, slavery, hate and the diet of carnivorism.

"Christianity is an adaptation of Mithraism welded with the Druidic principles of the Culdees, some Egyptian 
elements (the pre-Christian Book of Revelation was originally called The Mysteries of Osiris and Isis), Greek 
philosophy and various aspects of Hinduism."






I will have to agree to disagree. My understandings are not where you go. And I'm truly not on this forum for religious debates. Been there, done that. I understand the Textus Receptus and the received texts are where the Word of God comes from that I hold to. This information you share is interesting at the least. It wasn't my intention to skip over anything, I just know that God was not happy with the rebellion going on during that time and allowed the disobedient to suffer because they were not in God's will. He would hold back rains, creating a lack of food, causing man to eat each other, which is totally gross, but he is going to allow them to be of their own means without his blessings or direction for a time. As I read your posts, I get the impression you have a contempt for Judaism and Christianity and King James Bible. Which is understandable. I am disappointed in my soul everyday that the creation makes the Creator into something he truly is not. That grieves my soul. It becomes a he said, she said. I can only look into the Word of God and find refuge there. Just as you find refuge in your sources. I am pleased you are true to yourself. 

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:58 pm

Posted by schpankme on 04/09/2015
How did the Jews get the Yeshiva?

How did Christianity get affiliated with Judaism (Jew)?

You do understand that "Jew" has always been a Religion, and not a race of people?

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:59 pm

Posted by faithfultotruth on 04/09/2015

Apr 9, 2015 2:10:30 GMT schpankme said:
How did the Jews get the Yeshiva?

How did Christianity get affiliated with Judaism (Jew)?

You do understand that "Jew" has always been a Religion, and not a race of people?



I have no knowledge about the "Yeshiva". Of course, I'm not a jewish person.
Christianity and my faith are not the same. Christianity today in America is so mixed and innertwined with confusion that I feel as if I need to clarify and define what christianity is to me before I can even speak a truth. I am a believer in what God, the son of God did on the cross by shedding his blood (blood atonement) for all my sins, past, present and future. It was finished when Jesus died on that cross so many years ago. He conquered death when he rose on the 3rd day and he rules at the right hand of God the Father. Mind you, I base these truths on the scriptures, which if I understand you correctly, find the bible foolish. But it is my breath, my life, my direction, even though you may find it flawed. It is what I have. I am not capable of truly loving anyone outside of God's love.
Yes, I do understsand what Jew is. It is actually the people of Judah. Jewish is the race of the people from Judah, the son of God was Jewish.
Judaism is the religion. God's people were known as Hebrew. Today, people innertwine Jew, Judaism, Jewish, Hebrew together, but it was not always so. I can only direct you to what I know as absolute truth for english speaking people, that is the King James Bible (textus receptus and received text (koine greek). This is all I can offer, I am not comfortable giving you any other writings too study. It has been sufficient for me and my life and I'm not sure what more I can say. I have enjoyed the discussions, it has brought up much that I have not thought about in a long time. Thank you for that.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:00 pm

Posted by schpankme on 04/09/2015

Apr 9, 2015 2:44:12 GMT faithfultotruth said:
I have no knowledge about the "Yeshiva".
 I'm not a jewish person.
Christianity and my faith are not the same.




Yes, Jew or Judaism has always been a Religion.

Jusdism is about 4,000 years old and is a direct copy of Hinduism, converted to Carnivorism.  GOT KOSHER?

You worship a book, which is made up of the Torah (Old Testimony), which makes you a practicing JEW, and HINDU.

Which one of the 33000, 501 (C) (3) Corporate Religions, do you claim to Worship?

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And what makes you so sure that "Jesus Christ," the 17th crucified savior god-man, was the real one who, "died on the cross by shedding his blood (blood atonement) for all my sins, past, present and future." The same has been said, long before Christianity, in the myths of Mithra, Dionysus, Attis, Horus, and many other "pagan" god-men:


















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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:01 pm

Posted by faithfultotruth on 04/09/2015

Apr 9, 2015 2:54:52 GMT schpankme said:
Apr 9, 2015 2:44:12 GMT faithfultotruth said:
I have no knowledge about the "Yeshiva".
 I'm not a jewish person.
Christianity and my faith are not the same.


Yes, Jew or Judaism has always been a Religion.

Jusdism is about 4,000 years old and is a direct copy of Hinduism, converted to Carnivorism.  GOT KOSHER?

You worship a book, which is made up of the Torah (Old Testimony), which makes you a practicing JEW, and HINDU.

Which one of the 33000, 501 (C) (3) Corporate Religions, do you claim to Worship?





I am not associated with a church family that is in bondage to the 501c3. Torah is 5 books not 39. I am continually amazed by God's protection. I'm not sure why I'm still having this discussion. I worship and love the Creator that has given me his written word. My spirit is bonded with his spirit, I can not explain in words how I know this. I just know. There is a peace beyond expression. Do you fear for my soul? Are you trying to save me from some terrible fate that I can not see? I'm not sure why you are spending so much of your energy on me? I am truly devoted to Yehowah, Jehovah, God Almighty, my redeemer, my Saviour, my friend and the many more titles that he has. This scripture comes to my mind of how secure I am in his hands. John 10:25-30  Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
It truly is a love affair for me. I could never speak ill of him or his creation. I may be grieved in the spirit at times, but I could never hate that which he loves.
2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

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Posted by schpankme on 04/11/2015
As above, So below 
Equal and Opposite
Right Story and Wrong Story

My research indicates that the  Cradle of Civilization  probably  came from the  INDUS VALLEY.  A nation of people 
who  practiced a  form of  Vegan Hinduism; who harnessed a mighty river, and who through seismic event, ended 
up leaving their home land to rebuild,  and  who  were  starting to face those that would kill the animals for profit 
and gain.  The Brahma or the Cattle Mens cult,  penis worshipers;  male dominate;  animal sacrificers, carnivores.

This took place more than 30,000 years ago.

Canaanites/Sabaeans/Shiivites/Origns of Judaism (SHIVA)
This is why the Hindu texts were converted to be that of Flesh Eaters, this is why NOAH was the savior of animals,
and then GOD has the animals live in Fear of Man, and his perversion for  Animal Fat and Cholesterol.  This is why 
the Story of Cain and Abel was converted from, Cain the avenging Priest  killing  the  sacrificer  of  animals, to the 
murder of the Flesh Eater.

"The sheep have been taught to eat Meat, in the land of milk and honey, while they run from stories about the big 
bad wolf, never worrying about what fate the farmer has in store for them."

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:03 pm

Posted by faithfultotruth on 04/11/2015

Apr 9, 2015 4:18:33 GMT Admin said:
And what makes you so sure that "Jesus Christ," the 17th crucified savior god-man, was the real one who, "died on the cross by shedding his blood (blood atonement) for all my sins, past, present and future." The same has been said, long before Christianity, in the myths of Mithra, Dionysus, Attis, Horus, and many other "pagan" god-men:





Sorry for such a late response, it is understandable that their would be so many in the histories, because the Creator spoke of this happening since the beginning. Many would come in the name of the Saviour, but it would not be the true Saviour. Most all of prophecies spoken of in the scriptures have been fulfilled by the Messiah born in Bethleham, Judah. The Creator himself spoke to the witnesses of that day with a great cloud with His voice. But, you are aware of all this, because you have mentioned that you read all of the bible in the past. On a side note, I have studied the most popular bibles in the past that have come along since the King James and they are all written from the Alexandrian text that was rejected by the early christians because of the massive errors and contradictions within their own manuscripts. I have only found the King James to be the pure word of our Creator. Mind you, there is a conspiracy to change the meanings of the words in the bible through greek, aramaic, hebrew dictionaries and lexicons and other books, to confuse the readers. If you seek a definition of a meaning in the bible, you must look within the bible for the meaning. It is in there for everything, but it is much more labour for the student. The books that are suppose to aid the student in reading the scriptures are corrupted and are meant to cause strife and confusion. Do not underestimate the hatred in this world for the Creator's Son. It is written in His word, so shall it be. I did not come to my faith and belief in the messiah and what he has done for me and this world easily. My faith was as a child, but I have spent most of my life studying the word to prove to myself it is pure. If the written word from the Creator is not in my hands and it is all for nothing, then this scripture rings very true:  

1Corinthians 15:15-19  Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

Without the Creator raising His son from the dead and conquering death, then there is no hope and we are all most miserable. God forbid.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:08 pm

Posted by schpankme on 04/11/2015
Apr 10, 2015 19:54:25 GMT faithfultotruth said:
I have only found the King James to be the pure word of our Creator.





King James was a known pedophile, why was this revision of the Bible named after that person?


Do you actually read through more than 1,000 Bible Absurdities, to get to the so called word of God?




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GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26 Man is to have dominion over fish, birds, cattle, and all wild animals, yet--
GE 2:15-17 It is wrong to be able to tell good from evil, right from wrong.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience as well as with the fact that God allegedly does not change his mind: NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17.)

GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.

GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.

GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.

GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.

GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.

GE 6:19-22, 7:8-9, 7:14-16 Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah's Ark.
GE 7:2-5 Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken, and are taken, aboard the Ark.

GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.

GE 7:7 Noah and his clan enter the Ark.
GE 7:13 They enter the Ark (again?).

GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.

GE 11:9 At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.

GE 11:12 Arpachshad [Arphaxad] was the father of Shelah.
LK 3:35-36 Cainan was the father of Shelah. Arpachshad was the grandfather of Shelah.

GE 11:26 Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
GE 11:32 Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
GE 12:4, AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.

GE 12:7, 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen.
EX 33:20, JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God's face and live. No one has ever seen him.

GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel.
GE 11:1 There was only one language before the Tower of Babel.

GE 15:9, EX 20:24, 29:10-42, LE 1:1-7:38, NU 28:1-29:40, God details sacrificial offerings.
JE 7:21-22 God says he did no such thing.

GE 16:15, 21:1-3, GA 4:22 Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.
HE 11:17 Abraham had only one son.

GE 17:1, 35:11, 1CH 29:11-12, LK 1:37 God is omnipotent. Nothing is impossible with (or for) God.
JG 1:19 Although God was with Judah, together they could not defeat the plainsmen because the latter had iron chariots.

GE 17:7, 10-11 The covenant of circumcision is to be everlasting.
GA 6:15 It is of no consequence.

GE 17:8 God promises Abraham the land of Canaan as an "everlasting possession."
GE 25:8, AC 7:2-5, HE 11:13 Abraham died with the promise unfulfilled.

GE 17:15-16, 20:11-12, 22:17 Abraham and his half sister, Sarai, are married and receive God's blessings.
LE 20:17, DT 27:20-23 Incest is wrong.

GE 18:20-21 God decides to "go down" to see what is going on.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

GE 19:30-38 While he is drunk, Lot's two daughters "lie with him," become pregnant, and give birth to his offspring.
2PE 2:7 Lot was "just" and "righteous."

GE 22:1-12, DT 8:2 God tempts (tests) Abraham and Moses.
JG 2:22 God himself says that he does test (tempt).
1CO 10:13 Paul says that God controls the extent of our temptations.
JA 1:13 God tests (tempts) no one.

GE 27:28 "May God give you ... an abundance of grain and new wine."
DT 7:13 If they follow his commandments, God will bless the fruit of their wine.
PS 104:15 God gives us wine to gladden the heart.
JE 13:12 "... every bottle shall be filled with wine."
JN 2:1-11 According to the author of John, Jesus' first miracle was turning water to wine.
RO 14:21 It is good to refrain from drinking wine.

GE 35:10 God says Jacob is to be called Jacob no longer; henceforth his name is Israel.
GE 46:2 At a later time, God himself uses the name Jacob.

GE 36:11 The sons of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, Zepho, Gatam, and Kenaz.
GE 36:15-16 Teman, Omar, Zepho, Kenaz.
1CH 1:35-36 Teman, Omar, Zephi, Gatam, Kenaz, Timna, and Amalek.

GE 49:2-28 The fathers of the twelve tribes of Israel are: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Zebulun, Issachar, Dan, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Joseph, and Benjamin.
RE 7:4-8 (Leaves out the tribe of Dan, but adds Manasseh.)

GE 50:13 Jacob was buried in a cave at Machpelah bought from Ephron the Hittite.
AC 7:15-16 He was buried in the sepulchre at Shechem bought from the sons of Hamor.

EX 3:1 Jethro was the father-in-law of Moses.
NU 10:29, JG 4:11 (KJV) Hobab was the father-in-law of Moses.

EX 3:20-22, DT 20:13-17 God instructs the Israelites to despoil the Egyptians, to plunder their enemies.
EX 20:15, 17, LE 19:13 God prohibits stealing, defrauding, or robbing a neighbor.

EX 4:11 God decides who will be dumb, deaf, blind, etc.
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is a god of love.

EX 9:3-6 God destroys all the cattle (including horses) belonging to the Egyptians.
EX 9:9-11 The people and the cattle are afflicted with boils.
EX 12:12, 29 All the first-born of the cattle of the Egyptians are destroyed.
EX 14:9 After having all their cattle destroyed, then afflicted with boils, and then their first-born cattle destroyed, the Egyptians pursue Moses on horseback.

EX 12:13 The Israelites have to mark their houses with blood in order for God to see which houses they occupy and "pass over" them.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from God.

EX 12:37, NU 1:45-46 The number of men of military age who take part in the Exodus is given as more than 600,000. Allowing for women, children, and older men would probably mean that a total of about 2,000,000 Israelites left Egypt.
1KI 20:15 All the Israelites, including children, number only 7000 at a later time.

EX 15:3, 17:16, NU 25:4, 32:14, IS 42:13 God is a man of war--he is fierce and angry.
RO 15:33, 2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is a god of love and peace.

EX 20:1-17 God gave the law directly to Moses (without using an intermediary).
GA 3:19 The law was ordained through angels by a mediator (an intermediary).

EX 20:4 God prohibits the making of any graven images whatsoever.
EX 25:18 God enjoins the making of two graven images.

EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22 Children are to suffer for their parent's sins.
DT 24:16, EZ 18:19-20 Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins.

EX 20:8-11, 31:15-17, 35:1-3 No work is to be done on the Sabbath, not even lighting a fire. The commandment is permanent, and death is required for infractions.
MK 2:27-28 Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath (after his disciples were criticized for breaking the Sabbath).
RO 14:5, CN 2:14-16 Paul says the Sabbath commandment was temporary, and to decide for yourself regarding its observance.

EX 20:12, DT 5:16, MT 15:4, 19:19, MK 7:10, 10:19, LK 18:20 Honor your father and your mother is one of the ten commandments. It is reinforced by Jesus.
MT 10:35-37, LK 12:51-53, 14:26 Jesus says that he has come to divide families; that a man's foes will be those of his own household; that you must hate your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and even your own life to be a disciple.
MT 23:9 Jesus says to call no man on earth your father.

EX 20:13, DT 5:17, MK 10:19, LK 18:20, RO 13:9, JA 2:11 God prohibits killing.
GE 34:1-35:5 God condones trickery and killing.
EX 32:27, DT 7:2, 13:15, 20:1-18 God orders killing.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord slaughters 185,000 men.
(Note: See Atrocities section for many more examples.)

EX 20:14 God prohibits adultery.
HO 1:2 God instructs Hosea to "take a wife of harlotry."

EX 21:23-25, LE 24:20, DT 19:21 A life for a life, an eye for an eye, etc.
MT 5:38-44, LK 6:27-29 Turn the other cheek. Love your enemies.

EX 23:7 God prohibits the killing of the innocent.
NU 31:17-18, DT 7:2, JS 6:21-27, 7:19-26, 8:22-25, 10:20, 40, 11:8-15, 20, JG 11:30-39, 21:10-12, 1SA 15:3 God orders or approves the complete extermination of groups of people which include innocent women and/or children.
(Note: See Atrocities section for many other examples of the killing of innocents.)

EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.
NU 14:30 God breaks his promise.

EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.
1KI 22:21-23 God condones a spirit of deception.

EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.
2TH 2:11-12 God deludes people, making them believe what is false, so as to be able to condemn them. (Note: some versions use the word persuade here. The context makes clear, however, that deception is involved.)

EX 34:6-7, JS 24:19, 1CH 16:34 God is faithful, holy and good.
IS 45:6-7, AM 3:6 God is responsible for evil.

EX 34:6-7, HE 9:27 God remembers sin, even when it has been forgiven.
JE 31:34 God does not remember sin when it has been forgiven.

LE 3:17 God himself prohibits forever the eating of blood and fat.
MT 15:11, CN 2:20-22 Jesus and Paul say that such rules don't matter--they are only human injunctions.

LE 19:18, MT 22:39 Love your neighbor [as much as] yourself.
1CO 10:24 Put your neighbor ahead of yourself.

LE 21:10 The chief priest is not to rend his clothes.
MT 26:65, MK 14:63 He does so during the trial of Jesus.

LE 25:37, PS 15:1, 5 It is wrong to lend money at interest.
MT 25:27, LK 19:23-27 It is wrong to lend money without interest.

NU 11:33 God inflicts sickness.
JB 2:7 Satan inflicts sickness.

NU 15:24-28 Sacrifices can, in at least some case, take away sin.
HE 10:11 They never take away sin.

NU 25:9 24,000 died in the plague.
1CO 10:8 23,000 died in the plague.

NU 30:2 God enjoins the making of vows (oaths).
MT 5:33-37 Jesus forbids doing so, saying that they arise from evil (or the Devil).

NU 33:38 Aaron died on Mt. Hor.
DT 10:6 Aaron died in Mosera.

NU 33:41-42 After Aaron's death, the Israelites journeyed from Mt. Hor, to Zalmonah, to Punon, etc.
DT 10:6-7 It was from Mosera, to Gudgodah, to Jotbath.

DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21 God is sometimes angry.
MT 5:22 Anger is a sin.

DT 7:9-10 God destroys his enemies.
MT 5:39-44 Do not resist your enemies. Love them.

DT 18:20-22 A false prophet is one whose words do not come true. Death is required.
EZ 14:9 A prophet who is deceived, is deceived by God himself. Death is still required.

DT 23:1 A castrate may not enter the assembly of the Lord.
IS 56:4-5 Some castrates will receive special rewards.

DT 23:1 A castrate may not enter the assembly of the Lord.
MT 19:12 Men are encouraged to consider making themselves castrates for the sake of the Kingdom of God.

DT 24:1-5 A man can divorce his wife simply because she displeases him and both he and his wife can remarry.
MK 10:2-12 Divorce is wrong, and to remarry is to commit adultery.

DT 24:16, 2KI 14:6, 2CH 25:4, EZ 18:20 Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins.
RO 5:12, 19, 1CO 15:22 Death is passed to all men by the sin of Adam.

DT 30:11-20 It is possible to keep the law.
RO 3:20-23 It is not possible to keep the law.

JS 11:20 God shows no mercy to some.
LK 6:36, JA 5:11 God is merciful.

JG 4:21 Sisera was sleeping when Jael killed him.
JG 5:25-27 Sisera was standing.

JS 10:38-40 Joshua himself captured Debir.
JG 1:11-15 It was Othniel, who thereby obtained the hand of Caleb's daughter, Achsah.

1SA 8:2-22 Samuel informs God as to what he has heard from others.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees and hears everything.

1SA 9:15-17 The Lord tells Samuel that Saul has been chosen to lead the Israelites and will save them from the Philistines.
1SA 15:35 The Lord is sorry that he has chosen Saul.
1SA 31:4-7 Saul commits suicide and the Israelites are overrun by the Philistines.

1SA 15:7-8, 20 The Amalekites are utterly destroyed.
1SA 27:8-9 They are utterly destroyed (again?).
1SA 30:1, 17-18 They raid Ziklag and David smites them (again?).

1SA 16:10-11, 17:12 Jesse had seven sons plus David, or eight total.
1CH 2:13-15 He had seven total.

1SA 16:19-23 Saul knew David well before the latter's encounter with Goliath.
1SA 17:55-58 Saul did not know David at the time of his encounter with Goliath and had to ask about David's identity.

1SA 17:50 David killed Goliath with a slingshot.
1SA 17:51 David killed Goliath (again?) with a sword.

1SA 17:50 David killed Goliath.
2SA 21:19 Elhanan killed Goliath. (Note: Some translations insert the words "the brother of" before Elhanan. These are an addition to the earliest manuscripts in an apparent attempt to rectify this inconsistency.)

1SA 21:1-6 Ahimalech was high priest when David ate the bread.
MK 2:26 Abiathar was high priest at the time.

1SA 28:6 Saul inquired of the Lord, but received no answer.
1CH 10:13-14 Saul died for not inquiring of the Lord.

1SA 31:4-6 Saul killed himself by falling on his sword.
2SA 1:2-10 Saul, at his own request, was slain by an Amalekite.
2SA 21:12 Saul was killed by the Philistines on Gilboa.
1CH 10:13-14 Saul was slain by God.

2SA 6:23 Michal was childless.
2SA 21:8 (KJV) She had five sons.

2SA 24:1 The Lord inspired David to take the census.
1CH 21:1 Satan inspired the census.

2SA 24:9 The census count was: Israel 800,000 and Judah 500,000.
1CH 21:5 The census count was: Israel 1,100,000 and Judah 470,000.

2SA 24:10-17 David sinned in taking the census.
1KI 15:5 David's only sin (ever) was in regard to another matter.

2SA 24:24 David paid 50 shekels of silver for the purchase of a property.
1CH 21:22-25 He paid 600 shekels of gold.

1KI 3:12 God made Solomon the wisest man that ever lived, yet ....
1KI 11:1-13 Solomon loved many foreign women (against God's explicit prohibition) who turned him to other gods (for which he deserved death).

1KI 3:12, 4:29, 10:23-24, 2CH 9:22-23 God made Solomon the wisest king and the wisest man that ever lived. There never has been nor will be another like him.
MT 12:42, LK 11:31 Jesus says: "... now one greater than Solomon is here."

1KI 4:26 Solomon had 40,000 horses (or stalls for horses).
2CH 9:25 He had 4,000 horses (or stalls for horses).

1KI 5:16 Solomon had 3,300 supervisors.
2CH 2:2 He had 3,600 supervisors.

1KI 7:15-22 The two pillars were 18 cubits high.
2CH 3:15-17 They were 35 cubits high.

1KI 7:26 Solomon's "molten sea" held 2000 "baths" (1 bath = about 8 gallons).
2CH 4:5 It held 3000 "baths."

1KI 8:12, 2CH 6:1, PS 18:11 God dwells in thick darkness.
1TI 6:16 God dwells in unapproachable light.

1KI 8:13, AC 7:47 Solomon, whom God made the wisest man ever, built his temple as an abode for God.
AC 7:48-49 God does not dwell in temples built by men.

1KI 9:28 420 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir.
2CH 8:18 450 talents of gold were brought back from Ophir.

1KI 15:14 Asa did not remove the high places.
2CH 14:2-3 He did remove them.

1KI 16:6-8 Baasha died in the 26th year of King Asa's reign.
2CH 16:1 Baasha built a city in the 36th year of King Asa's reign.

1KI 16:23 Omri became king in the thirty-first year of Asa's reign and he reigned for a total of twelve years.
1KI 16:28-29 Omri died, and his son Ahab became king in the thirty- eighth year of Asa's reign. (Note: Thirty-one through thirty-eight equals a reign of seven or eight years.)

1KI 22:23, 2CH 18:22, 2TH 2:11 God himself causes a lying spirit.
PR 12:22 God abhors lying lips and delights in honesty.

1KI 22:42-43 Jehoshaphat did not remove the high places.
2CH 17:5-6 He did remove them.

2KI 2:11 Elijah went up to heaven.
JN 3:13 Only the Son of Man (Jesus) has ever ascended to heaven.
2CO 12:2-4 An unnamed man, known to Paul, went up to heaven and came back.
HE 11:5 Enoch was translated to heaven.

2KI 4:32-37 A dead child is raised (well before the time of Jesus).
MT 9:18-25, JN 11:38-44 Two dead persons are raised (by Jesus himself).
AC 26:23 Jesus was the first to rise from the dead.

2KI 8:25-26 Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began his reign.
2CH 22:2 He was 42 when he began his reign.
[Note: Some translations use "twenty-two" here in an attempt to rectify this discrepancy. The Hebrew is clear, however, that 2CH 22:2 is 42. The Hebrew words involved are Strong's H705 and H8147, "forty" and "two," respectively.]

2KI 9:27 Jehu shot Ahaziah near Ibleam. Ahaziah fled to Meggido and died there.
2CH 22:9 Ahaziah was found hiding in Samaria, brought to Jehu, and put to death.

2KI 16:5 The King of Syria and the son of the King of Israel did not conquer Ahaz.
2CH 28:5-6 They did conquer Ahaz.

2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin (Jehoiakim) was eighteen years old when he began to reign.
2CH 36:9 He was eight.
(Note: This discrepancy has been "corrected" in some versions.)

2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin (Jehoiakim) reigned three months.
2CH 36:9 He reigned three months and ten days.

2KI 24:17 Jehoiachin (Jehoaikim) was succeeded by his uncle.
2CH 36:10 He was succeeded by his brother.

1CH 3:11-13 The lineage is: Joram, Ahaziah, Joash, Amaziah, Azariah, Jotham.
MT 1:8-9 It is: Joram, Uzziah, Jotham, etc.

1CH 3:19 Pedaiah was the father of Zerubbabel.
ER 3:2 Shealtiel was the father of Zerubbabel.

2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 There is no injustice or partiality with the Lord.
RO 9:15-18 God has mercy on (and hardens the hearts of) whom he pleases.

ER 2:3-64 (Gives the whole congregation as 42,360 while the actual sum of the numbers is about 30,000.)

JB 2:3-6, 21:7-13, 2TI 3:12 The godly are persecuted and chastised but the wicked grow old, wealthy, and powerful, unchastised by God.
PS 55:23, 92:12-14, PR 10:2-3, 27-31, 12:2, 21 The lives of the wicked are cut short. The righteous flourish and obtain favor from the Lord.

PS 10:1 God cannot be found in time of need. He is "far off."
PS 145:18 God is near to all who call upon him in truth.

PS 22:1-2 God sometimes forsakes his children. He does not answer.
PS 46:1 God is a refuge, a strength, a very present help.

PS 30:5, JE 3:12, MI 7:18 God's anger does not last forever.
JE 17:4, MT 25:46 It does last forever. (He has provided for eternal punishment.)

PS 58:10-11 The righteous shall rejoice when he sees vengeance.
PR 24:16-18 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls or stumbles.

PS 78:69, EC 1:4, 3:14 The earth was established forever.
PS 102:25-26, MT 24:35, MK 13:31, LK 21:33, HE 1:10-11, 2PE 3:10 The earth will someday perish.

PR 3:13, 4:7, 19:8, JA 1:5 Happy is the man who finds wisdom. Get wisdom.
LK 2:40, 52 Jesus was filled with wisdom and found favor with God.
1CO 1:19-25, 3:18-20 Wisdom is foolishness.

PR 12:2, RO 8:28 A good man obtains favor from the Lord.
2TI 3:12, HE 12:6 The godly will be persecuted.

PR 14:8 The wisdom of a prudent man is to discern his way.
MT 6:25-34 Take no thought for tomorrow. God will take care of you.

PR 14:15-18 The simple believe everything and acquire folly; the prudent look where they are going and are crowned with knowledge.
MT 18:3, LK 18:17 You must believe as little children do.
1CO 1:20, 27 God has made the wisdom of the world foolish so as to shame the wise.
PR 16:4 God made the wicked for the "day of evil."
MT 11:25, MK 4:11-12 God and Jesus hide some things from some people.
JN 6:65 No one can come to Jesus unless it is granted by God.
RO 8:28-30 Some are predestined to be called to God, believe in Jesus, and be justified.
RO 9:15-18 God has mercy on, and hardens the hearts of, whom he pleases.
2TH 2:11-12 God deceives the wicked so as to be able to condemn them.
1TI 2:3-4, 2PE 3:9 [Yet] God wants all to be saved.

PR 8:13, 16:6 It is the fear of God that keeps men from evil.
1JN 4:18 There is no fear in love. Perfect love drives out fear.
1JN 5:2, 2JN 1:6 Those who love God keep his commandments.

PR 26:4 Do not answer a fool. To do so makes you foolish too.
PR 26:5 Answer a fool. If you don't, he will think himself wise.

PR 30:5 Every word of God proves true.
JE 8:8 The scribes falsify the word of God.
JE 20:7, EZ 14:9, 2TH 2:11-12 God himself deceives people.
(Note: Some versions translate deceive as "persuade." The context makes clear, however, that deception is involved.)


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Re: Hesus Krishna/General Ancient Religious Figures and Myths

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:09 pm

IS 3:13 God stands to judge.
JL 3:12 He sits to judge.

IS 44:24 God created heaven and earth alone.
JN 1:1-3 Jesus took part in creation.

IS 53:9 Usually taken to be a prophecy re: Jesus, mentions burial with others.
MT 27:58-60, MK 15:45-46, LK 23:52-53, JN 19:38-42 Jesus was buried by himself.

JE 12:13 Some sow wheat but reap thorns.
MI 6:15 Some sow but won't reap anything.
MT 25:26, LK 19:22 Some reap without sowing.
2CO 9:6, GA 6:7 A man reaps what he sows.

JE 32:18 God shows love to thousands, but brings punishment for the sins of their fathers to many children.
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is a god of love.

JE 34:4-5 Zedekiah was to die in peace.
JE 52:10-11 Instead, Zedekaih's sons are slain before his eyes, his eyes are then put out, he is bound in fetters, taken to Babylon and left in prison to die.

EZ 20:25-26 The law was not good. The sacrifice of children was for the purpose of horrifying the people so that they would know that God is Lord.
RO 7:12, 1TI 1:8 The law is good.

EZ 26:15-21 God says that Tyre will be destroyed and will never be found again.
(Nebudchanezzar failed to capture or destroy Tyre. It is still inhabited.)

DN 5:1 (Gives the title of "king" to Belshazzar although Belshazzar was actually the "viceroy.")

DN 5:2 (Says that Nebuchadnezzar was the father of Belshazzar, but actually, Nebonidus was the father of Belshazzar.) (Note: Some versions attempt to correct this error by making the verse say that Nebuchadnezzar was the grandfather of Belshazzar.)

ZE 11:12-13 Mentions "thirty pieces" and could possibly be thought to be connected with the Potter's Field prophesy referred to in Matthew.
MT 27:9 Jeremiah is given as the source of the prophesy regarding the purchase of the Potter's Field. (Note: There is no such prophesy in Jeremiah.)

MT 1:6-7 The lineage of Jesus is traced through David's son, Solomon.
LK 3:23-31 It is traced through David's son, Nathan.
(Note: Some apologists assert that Luke traces the lineage through Mary. That this is untrue is obvious from the context since Luke and Matthew both clearly state that Joseph was Jesus' father.)

MT 1:16 Jacob was Joseph's father.
LK 3:23 Heli was Joseph's father.

MT 1:17 There were twenty-eight generations from David to Jesus.
LK 3:23-38 There were forty-three.

MT 1:18-21 The Annunciation occurred after Mary had conceived Jesus.
LK 1:26-31 It occurred before conception.

MT 1:20 The angel spoke to Joseph.
LK 1:28 The angel spoke to Mary.

MT 1:20-23, LK 1:26-33 An angel announces to Joseph and/or Mary that the child (Jesus) will be "great," the "son of the Most High," etc., and ....
MT 3:13-17, MK 1:9-11 The baptism of Jesus is accompanied by the most extraordinary happenings, yet ....
MK 3:21 Jesus' own relatives (or friends) attempt to constrain him, thinking that he might be out of his mind, and ....
MK 6:4-6 Jesus says that a prophet is without honor in his own house (which certainly should not have been the case considering the Annunciation and the Baptism).

MT 1:23 He will be called Emmanuel (or Immanuel).
MT 1:25 Instead, he was called Jesus.

MT 2:13-16 Following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary flee to Egypt, (where they stay until after Herod's death) in order to avoid the murder of their firstborn by Herod. Herod slaughters all male infants two years old and under. (Note: John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, though under two is somehow spared without fleeing to Egypt.)
LK 2:22-40 Following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary remain in the area of Jerusalem for the Presentation (about forty days) and then return to Nazareth without ever going to Egypt. There is no slaughter of the infants.

MT 2:23 "And he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: He will be called a Nazarene.'" (This prophecy is not found in the OT and while Jesus is often referred to as "Jesus of Nazareth", he is seldom referred to as "Jesus the Nazarene.")

MT 3:11-14, JN 1:31-34 John realized the true identity of Jesus (as the Messiah) either prior to the actual Baptism, or from the Baptism onward. The very purpose of John's baptism was to reveal Jesus to Israel.
MT 11:2-3 After the Baptism, John sends his disciples to ask if Jesus is the Messiah.

MT 3:12, 13:42 Hell is a furnace of fire (and must therefore be light).
MT 8:12, 22:13, 25:30 Hell is an "outer darkness" (and therefore dark).

MT 3:16, MK 1:10 It was Jesus who saw the Spirit descending.
JN 1:32 It was John who saw the Spirit descending.

MT 3:17 The heavenly voice addressed the crowd: "This is my beloved Son."
MK 1:11, LK 3:22 The voice addressed Jesus: "You are my beloved Son...."

MT 4:1-11, MK 1:12-13 Immediately following his Baptism, Jesus spent forty days in the wilderness resisting temptation by the Devil.
JN 2:1-11 Three days after the Baptism, Jesus was at the wedding in Cana.

MT 4:5-8 The Devil took Jesus to the pinnacle of the temple, then to the mountain top.
LK 4:5-9 First to the mountain top, then to the pinnacle of the temple.

MT 4:18-20, MK 1:16-18 (One story about choosing Peter as a disciple.)
LK 5:2-11 (A different story.)
JN 1:35-42 (Still another story.)

MT 5:1 - 7:29 Jesus delivers his most noteworthy sermon while on the mount.
LK 6:17-49 Jesus delivers his most noteworthy sermon while on the plain. (Note: No such sermons are mentioned in either MK or JN and Paul seems totally unfamiliar with either the sermon on the mount or the sermon on the plain.)

MT 5:16 Good works should be seen.
MT 6:1-4 They should be kept secret.

MT 5:17-19, LK 16:17 Jesus underscores the permanence of the law.
LE 10:8 - 11:47, DT 14:3-21 The law distinguishes between clean and unclean foods.
MK 7:14-15, MK 7:18-19 Jesus says that there is no such distinction.
1TI 4:1-4 All foods are clean according to Paul.

MT 5:17-19, LK 16:17 Jesus did not come to abolish the law.
EP 2:13-15, HE 7:18-19 Jesus did abolish the law.

MT 5:22 Anyone who calls another a fool is liable to Hell.
MT 7:26 Jesus says that anyone who hears his words and does not do them is a fool. (Note: The translation now prevalent, "like a foolish man," in MT 7:26 is a dishonest attempt to alleviate the obvious inconsistency here in that the oldest Greek manuscripts use the same Greek word translated "fool" in MT 5:22 and "like a foolish man" in MT 7:26.)
MT 23:17-19 Jesus twice calls the Pharisees blind fools.
MT 25:2, 3, 8 Jesus likens the maidens who took no oil to fools. (Note: This is the same Greek word translated "fool" in MT 5:22 and MT 23:17-19.)
1CO 1:23, 3:18, 4:10 Paul uses "fool" with regard to Christians becoming fools for Christ. (Note: Again, this is the same Greek word translated "fool" in MT 5:22 and MT 23:17-19.)

MT 5:22 Anger by itself is a sin.
EP 4:26 Anger is not necessarily a sin.

MT 5:22 Anger by itself is a sin.
MT 11:22-24, LK 10:13-15 Jesus curses the inhabitants of several cities who are not sufficiently impressed with his mighty works.
MT 21:19, MK 11:12-14 Jesus curses a fig tree when it fails to bear fruit out of season.
MK 3:5 Jesus looks around "angrily."

MT 5:32 Divorce, except on the grounds of unchastity, is wrong.
MK 10:11-12 Divorce on any grounds is wrong.

MT 5:39, MT 5:44 Jesus says: "Do not resist evil. Love your enemies."
MT 6:15, 12:34, 16:3, 22:18, 23:13-15, 17, 19, 27, 29, 33, MK 7:6, LK 11:40, 44, 12:56 Jesus repeatedly hurls epithets at his opponents.

MT 5:39, MT 5:44 Do not resist evil. Love your enemies.
LK 19:27 God is likened to one who destroys his enemies.

MT 5:39, MT 5:44 Do not resist evil. Love your enemies.
2JN 1:9-11 Shun anyone who does not hold the proper doctrine.
MT 5:43-44, MT 22:39 Love your enemies. Love your neighbor as yourself.
MT 10:5 Go nowhere among the Gentiles nor enter a Samaritan town.
JN 8:58-59 Jesus hid himself, apparently to avoid being stoned.

MT 5:45, 7:21 God resides in heaven.
MK 13:32 The angels reside in heaven
AC 7:55, HE 12:2 Jesus is at the right hand of God, in heaven.
1PE 1:3-4 Believers will inherit eternal life in heaven.
MT 24:35, MK 13:31, LK 21:33 Heaven will pass away.

MT 6:13 God might lead us into temptation and it is better avoided.
JA 1:2-3 Temptation is joy.

MT 6:13 Jesus' prayer implies that God might lead us into temptation.
JA 1:13 God tempts no one.

MT 6:25-34, LK 12:22-31 Take no thought for tomorrow. God will take care of you.
1TI 5:8 A man who does not provide for his family is worse than an infidel. (Note: Providing for a family certainly involves taking "thought for tomorrow.")

MT 7:1-2 Do not judge.
MT 7:15-20 Instructions for judging a false prophet.

MT 7:7-8, LK 11:9-10 Ask and it will be given. Seek and you will find.
LK 13:24 Many will try to enter the Kingdom but will be unable.

MT 7:21 Not everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
AC 2:21, RO 10:13 Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
AC 2:39 Those God calls to himself will be saved.

MT 7:21, LK 10:36-37, RO 2:6, 13, JA 2:24 We are justified by works, not by faith.
JN 3:16, RO 3:20-26, EP 2:8-9, GA 2:16 We are justified by faith, not by works.

MT 8:5-12 The centurion himself approaches Jesus to ask to heal his servant.
LK 7:2-10 The centurion sends elders to do the asking.

MT 8:16, LK 4:40 Jesus healed all that were sick.
MK 1:32-34 Jesus healed many (but not all).

MT 8:28-33 Two demoniacs are healed in the Gadarene swine incident.
MK 5:2-16, LK 8:26-36 One demoniac is healed in this incident.

MT 9:18 The ruler's daughter was already dead when Jesus raised her.
LK 8:42 She was dying, but not dead.

MT 10:1-8 Jesus gives his disciples the power to exorcise and heal...
MT 17:14-16 (Yet) the disciples are unable to do so.

MT 10:2, MK 3:16-19 The twelve apostles (disciples) were: Simon (Peter), Andrew his brother, James the son of Zebedee, John his brother, Philip, Bartholemew, Thomas, Matthew the tax collector, James the son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus (Labbaeus), Simon, and Judas Iscariot.
LK 6:13-16 The above except that Thaddaeus (Labbaeus) is excluded, and Judas the son of James is added (and Judas Iscariot remains).
AC 1:13, 26 Same as MT and MK except that, like LK Thaddaeus (Labbaeus) is excluded, Judas the son of James is included, and Mathias is chosen by the others to replace Judas Iscariot.

MT 10:2, 5-6 Peter was to be an apostle to the Jews and not go near the Gentiles.
AC 15:7 He was an apostle to the Gentiles.

MT 10:10 Do not take sandals (shoes) or staves.
MK 6:8-9 Take sandals (shoes) and staves.

MT 10:34, LK 12:49-53 Jesus has come to bring a sword, fire, and division--not peace.
JN 16:33 Jesus says: "In me you have peace."

MT 10:22, 24:13, MK 13:13 He that endures to the end will be saved.
MK 16:16 He that believes and is baptized will be saved.
JN 3:5 Only he that is born of water and Spirit will be saved.
AC 16:31 He that believes on the Lord Jesus will be saved.
AC 2:21 He that calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.
RO 10:9 He who confesses with his mouth "Jesus is Lord" and believes in his heart that God raised him from the dead will be saved.
1JN 4:7 He who loves is born of God (and presumably will be saved.)

MT 10:28, LK 12:4 Jesus says not to fear men. (Fear God only.)
MT 12:15-16, JN 7:1-10, 8:59, 10:39, 11:53-54 Jesus hid, escaped, went secretly, etc.

MT 11:7-15, 17:12-13 Jesus says that John the Baptist was a prophet, and more.
JN 1:21 John himself says that he is not a prophet, nor is he Elijah.

MT 11:25, MK 4:11-12 Jesus thanks God for hiding some things from the wise while revealing them to "babes." He says that he uses parables so that the meaning of some of his teachings will remain hidden to at least some persons, and specifically so that they will not turn and be forgiven.
MK 4:22 Jesus says that all things should be made known.

MT 11:29 Jesus says that he is gentle (meek) and humble (lowly).
JN 2:15 Jesus makes a whip of cords, drives the money changers from the Temple, overturns their tables, and pours out their coins. (Note: The presence of the money changers in the outer court of the Temple had been authorized by the Temple authorities and was, in fact, a necessity since the Jews would not accept Roman coin for the purchase of sacrifices.)

MT 12:5 Jesus says that the law (OT) states that the priests profane the Sabbath but are blameless. (No such statement is found in the OT.

MT 12:30 Jesus says that those who are not with him are against him.
MK 9:40 Jesus says that those who are not against him are for him.
(Note: This puts those who are indifferent or undecided in the "for him" category in the first instance and in the "against him" category in the second instance.)

MT 12:39, MK 8:12, LK 11:29 Jesus says that he will give no "sign."
JN 3:2, 20:30, AC 2:22 Jesus proceeds to give many such "signs."

MT 13:34, MK 4:34 Jesus addresses the crowds only in parables, so that they would not fully understand. He explains the meaning only to his disciples.
JN 1:1 - 21:25 (Throughout the book of John, unlike the other Gospels, Jesus addresses the crowds in a very straightforward manner. He does not employ parables.)

MT 13:58, MK 6:5 In spite of his faith, Jesus is not able to perform mighty miracles.
MT 17:20, 19:26, MK 9:23, 10:27, LK 17:6, 18:27 Jesus says that anything is possible to him who believes if he has the faith of a grain of mustard seed. All things are possible with God. A mountain can be commanded to move and it will move.

MT 5:37, 15:19, MK 7:22, JN 8:14, 44, 14:6, 18:37 Jesus says that you should answer a plain "yes" or "no," that his purpose is to bear witness to the truth, and that his testimony is true. He equates lying with evil.
JN 7:2-10 Jesus tells his brothers that he is not going to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Tabernacles, then later goes secretly by himself. (Note: The words "not yet" were added to some versions at JN 7:8 in order to alleviate this problem. The context at JN 7:10 makes the deception clear, however.)

MT 16:6, 11 Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
MK 8:15 Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod.

MT 16:18 Jesus founds his church on Peter and will give him the keys of the kingdom.
MT 16:23 Jesus calls Peter [a] "Satan" and "a hindrance," and accuses him of being on the side of men rather than that of God.

MT 16:18 Jesus founds his church on Peter and will give him the keys of the kingdom.
AC 15:1-21 James presides over the first Council of Jerusalem and formulates the decree regarding the accepting of Gentiles which is sent to the other churches. (Note: Tradition has it that James was appointed as the first Bishop or Pope, not Peter.)

MT 17:1-2 The Transfiguration occurs six days after Jesus foretells his suffering.
LK 9:28-29 It takes place about eight days afterwards.

MT 20:20-21 The mother of James and John asks Jesus a favor for her sons.
MK 10:35-37 They ask for themselves.

MT 20:23, MK 10:40 Jesus responds that it is not his to give.
MT 28:18, JN 3:35 All authority has been given to Jesus.

MT 20:29-34 Jesus heals two blind men on the way to Jericho.
MK 10:46-52 He heals one blind man.

MT 21:1-17 The sequence was: triumphal entry, cleansing of the temple, Bethany.
MK 11:1-19 Triumphal entry, cleansing of the temple.
LK 19:28-48 Triumphal entry, cleansing of the temple, daily teaching in the temple.
JN 12:1-18 Cleansing of the temple (early in his career), Supper with Lazarus, triumphal entry, no cleansing of the temple following the triumphal entry.

MT 21:2-6, MK 11:2-7, LK 19:30-35 The disciples follow Jesus instructions and bring him the animal (or animals, in the case of MT).
JN 12:14 Jesus finds the animal himself.

MT 21:7 Jesus rides two animals during his triumphal entry.
MK 11:7, LK 19:35, JN 12:14 Only one animal is involved.

MT 21:12-13 The cleansing of the temple occurs at the end of Jesus' career.
JN 2:13-16 It occurs near the beginning of his career.

MT 21:19-20 The fig tree withers immediately after being cursed by Jesus. The disciples notice and are amazed.
MK 11:13-14, 20-21 The disciples first notice that the tree has withered the day following.

MT 23:35 Jesus says that Zacharias (Zechariah) was the son of Barachias (Barachiah).
2CH 24:20 Zacharias was actually the son of Jehoida, the priest.
(Note: The name Barachias, or Barachiah, does not appear in the O.T.)

MT 24:29-33, MK 13:24-29 The coming of the kingdom will be accompanied by signs and miracles.
LK 17:20-21 It will not be accompanied by signs and miracles. It is already within.

MT 25:34 Heaven was prepared before the Ascension of Jesus.
JN 14:2-3 It was prepared after the Ascension of Jesus.

MT 26:6-13, MK 14:3 The anointing of Jesus takes place in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper.
LK 7:36-38 It takes place at the house of a Pharisee in Galilee.

MT 26:7, MK 14:3 The oil is poured on Jesus' head.
LK 7:38, JN 12:3 On his feet.

MT 26:7, MK 14:3, LK 7:37 An unnamed woman does the anointing.
JN 12:3 It is Mary.

MT 28:6-8 The women ran from the tomb "with great joy."
JN 20:1-2 Mary told Peter and the other disciple that the body had been stolen. (Would she feel "great joy" if she thought the body had been stolen?)

MT 26:8 The disciples reproach her.
MK 14:4 "Some" reproach her.
JN 12:4-5 Judas Iscariot reproaches her.

MT 26:14-25, MK 14:10-11, LK 22:3-23 Judas made his bargain with the chief priests before the meal.
JN 13:21-30 After the meal.

MT 26:20-29, MK 14:17-28, JN 13:21-30 Jesus forecasts his betrayal prior to the communion portion of the supper.
LK 22:14-23 After the communion portion.

MT 26:26-29, MK 14:22-25 The order of the communion was: bread, then wine.
LK 22:17-20 It was: wine, then bread.

MT 26:34, LK 22:34, JN 13:38 Peter was to deny Jesus before the cock crowed.
MK 14:30 Before the cock crowed twice.
MK 14:66-72 The cock crows after both the first and second denials.
(Note: These discrepancies have been "translated out" in some Bible versions.)

MT 26:40-45, MK 14:37-41 The disciples fall asleep three times.
LK 22:45 One time.

MT 26:49-50, MK 14:44-46 Jesus is betrayed by Judas with a kiss, then seized.
LK 22:47-48 Jesus anticipates Judas' kiss. No actual kiss is mentioned.
JN 18:2-9 Jesus voluntarily steps forward to identify himself making it completely unnecessary for Judas to point him out. No kiss is mentioned.

MT 26:51, MK 14:47, JN 18:10 The ear of a slave is cut off and left that way.
LK 22:50-51 The severed ear is miraculously healed by Jesus.

MT 26:52 Dispose of swords. All who take the sword will perish by it.
LK 22:36-38 Buy swords.

MT 26:57, MK 14:53, LK 22:54 After his arrest Jesus is first taken to Caiphas, the high priest.
JN 18:13-24 First to Annas, the son-in-law of Caiphas, then to Caiphas.

MT 26:18-20, 57-68, 27:1-2, MK 14:16-18, 53-72, 15:1 Jesus' initial hearing was at night on Passover. In the morning he was taken to Pilate.
LK 22:13-15, 54-66 The initial hearing took place in the morning on Passover.
JN 18:28, 19:14 It took place the day before Passover, on the Day of Preparation.

MT 26:59-66, MK 14:55-64 Jesus was tried by the entire Sanhedrin (the chief priests and the whole council).
LK 22:66-71 There was no trial but merely an inquiry held by the Sanhedrin.
JN 18:13-24 There was no appearance before the Sanhedrin, only the private hearings before Annas and then Caiphas.

MT 26:63, LK 22:70 The high priest asks Jesus if he is the Son of God.
MK 14:61 He asks Jesus if he is the Son of the Blessed.

MT 26:64, LK 22:70 Jesus answers: "You have said so," or words to this effect.
MK 14:62 He answers directly: "I am."

MT 26:69-70 Peter makes his first denial to a maid and "them all."
MK 14:66-68, LK 22:56-57, JN 18:17 It was to one maid only.

MT 26:71-72 Peter's second denial is to still another maid.
MK 14:69-70 (Apparently) to the same maid.
LK 22:58 To a man, not a maid.
JN 18:25 To more than one, "they."

MT 26:73-74, MK 14:70-71 Peter's third denial is to bystanders (two or more).
LK 22:59-60 To "another" (one).
JN 18:26-27 To one of the servants.

MT 26:74 The cock crowed once.
MK 14:72 The cock crowed twice.

MT 27:3-7 The chief priests bought the field.
AC 1:16-19 Judas bought the field.

MT 27:5 Judas threw down the pieces of silver, then departed.
AC 1:18 He used the coins to buy the field.

MT 27:5 Judas hanged himself.
AC 1:18 He fell headlong, burst open, and his bowels gushed out.

MT 27:11, MK 15:2, LK 23:3 When asked if he is King of the Jews, Jesus answers: "You have said so," (or "Thou sayest").
JN 18:33-34 He answers: "Do you say this of your own accord?"

MT 27:11-14 Jesus answers not a single charge at his hearing before Pilate.
JN 18:33-37 Jesus answers all charges at his hearing before Pilate.

MT 27:20 The chief priests and elders are responsible for persuading the people to ask for the release of Barabbas.
MK 15:11 Only the chief priests are responsible.
LK 23:18-23 The people ask, apparently having decided for themselves.

MT 27:28 Jesus is given a scarlet robe (a sign of infamy).
MK 15:17, JN 19:2 A purple robe (a sign of royalty).

MT 27:32, MK 15:21, LK 23:26 Simon of Cyrene carries Jesus' cross.
JN 19:17 Jesus carries his own cross with no help from anyone.

MT 27:37 The inscription on the cross read: "This is Jesus the King of the Jews."
MK 15:26 "The King of the Jews."
LK 23:38 "This is the King of the Jews."
JN 19:19 "Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews."

MT 27:44 Both of those who are crucified with Jesus taunt him.
LK 23:39-42 Only one taunts Jesus, and he is rebuked by the other for doing so.

MT 27:46 Jesus asks God, the Father, why he has been forsaken.
JN 10:30 Jesus says that he and the Father are one.

MT 27:46-50, MK 15:34-37 Jesus' last recorded words are: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
LK 23:46 "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit."
JN 19:30 "It is finished." (Note: Even though both MT and MK represent direct quotes and are translated similarly, the actual Greek words used for God are different. MT uses "Eli" and MK uses "Eloi.")

MT 27:48, LK 23:36, JN 19:29 Jesus was offered vinegar to drink.
MK 15:23 It was wine and myrrh, and he did not drink it.
JN 19:29-30 Whatever it was, he did drink it.

MT 27:54 The centurion says: "Truly this was the son of God."
MK 15:39 He says: "Truly this man was the son of God!"
LK 23:47 He says: "Truly this man was innocent" (or "righteous").

MT 27:55, MK 15:40, LK 23:49 The women looked on from afar.
JN 19:25-26 They were near enough that Jesus could speak to his mother.

MT 27:62-66 A guard was placed at the tomb (the day following the burial).
MK 15:42- 16:8, LK 23:50-56, JN 19:38-42 (No guard is mentioned. This is important since rumor had it that Jesus' body was stolen and the Resurrection feigned.)
MK 16:1-3, LK 24:1 (There could not have been a guard, as far as the women were concerned, since they were planning to enter the tomb with spices. Though the women were aware of the stone, they were obviously unaware of a guard.)

MT 24:9 Even some of the disciples of Jesus will be killed.
JN 8:51 If anyone keeps Jesus' words, he will never see death.
HE 9:27 [All] men die once, then judgement follows.

MT 28:1 The first visitors to the tomb were Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (two).
MK 16:1 Both of the above plus Salome (three).
LK 23:55 - 24:1, 24:10 Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and "other women" (at least five).
JN 20:1 Mary Magdalene only (one).

MT 28:1 It was toward dawn when they arrived.
MK 16:2 It was after sunrise.
LK 24:1 It was at early dawn.
JN 20:1 It was still dark.

MT 28:1-2 The stone was still in place when they arrived. It was rolled away later.
MK 16:4, LK 24:2, JN 20:1 The stone had already been rolled (or taken) away.

MT 28:2 An angel arrived during an earthquake, rolled back the stone, then sat on it (outside the tomb).
MK 16:5 No earthquake, only one young man sitting inside the tomb.
LK 24:2-4 No earthquake. Two men suddenly appear standing inside the tomb.
JN 20:12 No earthquake. Two angels are sitting inside the tomb.

MT 28:8 The visitors ran to tell the disciples.
MK 16:8 They said nothing to anyone.
LK 24:9 They told the eleven and all the rest.
JN 20:10-11 The disciples returned home. Mary remained outside, weeping.

MT 28:8-9 Jesus' first Resurrection appearance was fairly near the tomb.
LK 24:13-15 It was in the vicinity of Emmaus (seven miles from Jerusalem).
JN 20:13-14 It was right at the tomb.

MT 28:9 On his first appearance to them, Jesus lets Mary Magdalene and the other Mary hold him by his feet.
JN 20:17 On his first appearance to Mary, Jesus forbids her to touch him since he has not yet ascended to the Father.
JN 20:27 A week later, although he has not yet ascended to the Father, Jesus tells Thomas to touch him.

MT 28:7-10, MT 28:16 Although some doubted, the initial reaction of those that heard the story was one of belief since they followed the revealed instructions.
MK 16:11, LK 24:11 The initial reaction was one of disbelief. All doubted.

MT 28:1-18 The order of Resurrection appearances was: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, then the eleven.
MK 16:9-14 It was Mary Magdalene, then two others, then the eleven.
LK 24:15-36 It was two, then Simon (Peter?), then the eleven.
JN 20:14 - 21:1 It was Mary Magdalene, then the disciples without Thomas, then the disciples with Thomas, then the eleven disciples again.
1CO 15:5-8 It was Cephas (Peter?), then the "twelve" (which twelve, Judas was dead?), then 500+ brethren (although AC 1:15 says there were only about 120), then James, then all the Apostles, then Paul.

MT 28:19 Jesus instructs his disciples to baptize.
1CO 1:17 Although he considers himself a disciple of Jesus, Paul says that he has not been sent to baptize.

MK 1:2 Jesus quotes a statement that allegedly appears in Isaiah. No such statement appears in Isaiah. (Note: IS 40.3 is seen by some as equivalent to MK 1.2; MA 3.1 is a much better fit, however, given that Jesus is allegedly quoting word for word in MK 1:2.)

MK 1:14 Jesus began his ministry after the arrest of John the Baptist.
JN 3:22-24 Before the arrest of John the Baptist.

MK 1:23-24 A demon cries out that Jesus is the Holy One of God.
1JN 4:1-2 Everyone who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God. (Note: This would mean that the demon is of God.)

MK 3:29 Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin.
AC 13:39, CN 2:13, 1JN 1:9 All sins are forgivable.

MK 4:11-12, 11:25 Jesus says that he uses parables so that the meaning of some of his teachings will remain secret to at least some persons. He explains the meanings of the parables only to his disciples. He thanks God for hiding some things from the wise while revealing them to "babes."
JN 18:20 Jesus says that he always taught openly, never secretly.

MK 6:16 Herod was the source of the belief that John had been raised from the dead.
LK 9:7 Others were the source. Herod was perplexed by the belief.

MK 6:52 The people were so unimpressed with "the Feeding of the Multitude" that they did not even understand the event.
JN 6:14-15 They were so impressed that they tried to force Jesus to be their king.

MK 6:53 After the feeding of the 5000, Jesus and the disciples went to Gennesaret.
JN 6:17-25 They went to Capernaum.

MK 15:25 It was the third hour when Jesus was crucified.
JN 19:14-15 It was after the sixth hour since Jesus was still before Pilate and had not yet been sentenced at that time.

MK 16:1-2 The women came to the tomb to anoint the body.
JN 19:39-40 The body had already been anointed and wrapped in linen cloth.

MK 16:5, LK 24:3 The women actually entered the tomb.
JN 20:1-2, 11 They did not.

MK 16:14-19 The Ascension took place (presumably from a room) while the disciples were together seated at a table, probably in or near Jerusalem.
LK 24:50-51 It took place outdoors, after supper, at Bethany (near Jerusalem).
AC 1:9-12 It took place outdoors, after 40+ days, at Mt. Olivet.
MT 28:16-20 No mention is made of an ascension, but if it took place at all, it must have been from a mountain in Galilee since MT ends there.)

LK 1:15 John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit from before his birth or the birth of Jesus.
LK 1:41 Elizabeth had it long before Jesus went away.
LK 1:67 So did Zechariah.
LK 2:25 So did Simeon.
LK 11:13 It is obtained by prayer (presumably at any time).
JN 7:39, JN 16:7, AC 1:3-5 The Holy Spirit cannot come into the world until after Jesus has departed.

LK 8:12 The Devil causes unbelief.
MK 4:11-12 Jesus is responsible for unbelief in at least some cases.
2TH 2:11-12 God is ultimately responsible for unbelief in at least some cases.

LK 14:26 No one can be a disciple of Jesus unless he hates his parents, wife, children, brothers and sisters.
1JN 3:15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer.
1JN 4:20 If anyone claims to love God but hates his brother, he is a liar.

LK 18:9-14 Do not boast of your virtue.
RO 11:20, 1PE 5:5 Do not be proud.
RO 15:17, 2CO 1:12, HE 3:6, 2CO 2:14, 5:12, 11:17 Paul boasts of his faith and says that one should be proud of it.

LK 22:3-23 Satan entered Judas before the supper.
JN 13:27 It was during the supper.

LK 23:43 Jesus promises one of those crucified with him that they will be together, that very day, in Paradise.
JN 20:17, AC 1:3 Jesus was not raised until the third day and did not ascend until at least forty days later.

LK 23:55-56 The women followed Joseph to the tomb, saw how the body had been laid, then went to prepare spices with which to anoint the body.
JN 19:39-40 Joseph brought spices with him (75 or a 100 lbs.) and annointed the body (as the women should have noticed).

JN 1:1, 10:30 Jesus and God are one.
JN 14:28 God is greater than Jesus.

JN 1:1 Jesus was God incarnate.
AC 2:22 Jesus was a man approved by God.

JN 3:17, 8:15, 12:47 Jesus does not judge.
JN 5:22, 5:27-30, 9:39, AC 10:42, 2CO 5:10 Jesus does judge.

JN 5:22 God does not judge.
RO 2:2-5, 3:19, 2TH 1:5, 1PE 1:17 God does judge.

JN 5:24 Believers do not come into judgement.
MT 12:36, RO 5:18, 2CO 5:10, HE 9:27, 1PE 1:17, JU 1:14-15, RE 20:12-13 All persons (including believers) come into judgement.

JN 5:31 Jesus says that if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is not true.
JN 8:14 Jesus says that even if he bears witness to himself, his testimony is true.

JN 5:38-47 Men have a choice as to whether or not to receive Jesus.
JN 6:44 No one can come to Jesus unless he is drawn by the Father.

JN 7:38 Jesus quotes a statement that he says appears in scripture (i.e., the OT).
(No such statement is found in the OT.)

JN 10:27-29 None of Jesus' followers will be lost.
1TI 4:1 Some of them will be lost.

JN 12:31 The Devil is the ruler (or "prince") of this world.
1CO 10:26, RE 1:5 Jesus is the ruler of kings--the earth is his.

JN 12:32 Jesus implies that all persons will be saved.
1TI 2:3-4, 2PE 3:9 God wants all to be saved.
JN 12:40, AC 2:21, 2:39, RO 9:27, 10:13 Some will not be saved.
RE 14:1-4 Heaven will be inhabited by 144,000 virgin men (only?).

JN 13:36 Peter asks Jesus where he is going.
JN 14:5 Thomas does the same.
JN 16:5 Jesus says that none of them have asked him where he is going.

JN 17:12 Jesus has lost none of his disciples other than Judas.
JN 18:9 Jesus has lost none, period.

JN 17:12 Mentions a "son of perdition" as appearing in scripture (meaning the OT).
(Note: There is no "son of perdition" mentioned in the OT.)

JN 18:37 Jesus came into the world to bear witness to the truth.
RO 1:18-20 The truth has always been evident.

JN 20:9 Jesus quotes a statement that he says appears in scripture (meaning the OT). (No such statement is found in the OT.)

JN 20:22 In his first resurrection appearance before the assembled disciples, Jesus gives them the Holy Spirit.
AC 1:3-5, AC 2:1-4 The Holy Spirit was received much later (on Pentecost.)

JN 21:25 The world probably could not contain the books if all that Jesus did were to be written.
AC 1:1 The author of Acts has already written about all that Jesus began to do.

AC 5:19, 12:6-11 The disciples take part in a jailbreak made possible by an angel.
AC 5:40-42 The disciples disobey the Council and continue to teach and preach Jesus.
RO 13:1-4, 1PE 2:13-15 Obey the laws of men (i.e., government). It is the will of God.

AC 5:29 Obey God, not men.
RO 13:1-4, 1PE 2:13-15 Obey the laws of men (i.e., government). It is the will of God.

AC 9:7 Those present at Paul's conversion heard the voice but saw no one.
AC 22:9 They saw a light but did not hear a voice.

AC 9:7 Those present at Paul's conversion stood.
AC 26:14 They fell to the ground.

AC 9:19-28 Shortly after his conversion, Paul went to Damascus, then Jerusalem where he was introduced to the Apostles by Barnabas, and there spent some time with them (going in and out among them).
GA 1:15-20 He made the trip three years later, then saw only Peter and James.

AC 9:23 The governor attempted to seize Paul.
2CO 11:32 It was the Jews who tried to seize Paul.

AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
RO 9:11-13 God hated Esau and loved Jacob even before their birth.

AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
RO 9:18 God has mercy on whoever he chooses, etc.

AC 16:6 The Holy Spirit forbids preaching in Asia.
AC 19:8-10 Paul preaches in Asia anyway.

AC 20:35 Quotes Jesus as having said: "It is more blessed to give than to receive." (No such statement of Jesus is found elsewhere in the Bible.)

RO 2:12 All who have sinned without the law will perish without the law.
RO 4:15 Where there is no law there is no transgression (sin).

RO 2:13 Doers of the law will be justified.
RO 3:20, GA 3:11 They will not be justified.

RO 2:15 The law is written on the heart. Conscience teaches right from wrong.
1JN 2:27 Anointing by Jesus teaches right from wrong.

RO 4:9 Faith was reckoned to Abraham as righteousness.
JA 2:21 Abraham was justified by works (which made his faith perfect).

RO 10:11 (An alleged OT quote; no such statement in the OT.)

RO 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor anything that might cause your brother to stumble or be offended.
CN 2:16 Let no one pass judgement on you in matters of food and drink.

1CO 7:8-9 Widows should not marry (although it is better to marry than burn).
1TI 5:14 Young widows should marry, bear children, rule the household, etc..

1CO 8:4 There is only one God.
2CO 4:4 Satan is God of this world (therefore there are at least two gods).

1CO 10:33 Paul says that he tries to please men (so they might be saved).
GA 1:10 Paul says he would not be a servant of Christ if he tried to please men.

2CO 12:16 Paul says that he does use trickery.
1TH 2:3 Paul says that he does not use trickery.

GA 6:2 Bear one another's burdens.
GA 6:5 Bear your own burden.

1TH 2:2 God gave Paul the courage to continue his work.
1TH 2:17-18 Satan hindered Paul.
(Note: Who is stronger, Satan or God?)

1TI 1:15 Paul says that he is the foremost of sinners.
1JN 3:8-10 He who commits sin is of the Devil. Children of God do not sin.

1TI 6:20, 2TI 2:14-16, 3:1-7 Do not argue with an unbeliever.
2JN 1:10-11 Anyone who even greets an unbeliever shares his wicked work.
CN 4:5-6 Be wise in your behavior with outsiders. Let your talk be with grace, mixed with salt, so that you may be able to give an answer to everyone.
1PE 3:15 Always be ready to answer any man concerning your faith.

JA 4:5 (Quotes an alleged OT scripture verse not found in the OT.)

RE 8:7 All of the grass on earth is burned up, and then ...
RE 9:4 An army of locusts, which is about to be turned loose on the earth, is instructed not to harm the grass.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:09 pm

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Your religion sounds like it makes you helplessly dependant on it.

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Re: Hesus Krishna/General Ancient Religious Figures and Myths

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:11 pm

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You're just saying more "belief" and "faith" and "I accept every word of Yeshua (the Bible) as truth." I'm sorry Ed, this forum is not for you. This is a research forum and you are not presenting us with research or even open or interested in the evidence that's been presented in this thread. Instead you've chosen to counter my facts with your opinions. You're welcome to your opinions, faith and belief, but this forum is not for that.




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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:12 pm

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I'm not "Anti-Christian," I'm Pro-Evidence, Pro-Proof, Pro-Research, Pro-Intuition, Pro-Discernment, and you saying, "I accept every word of Yeshua as truth," means you have bought wholesale a pre-packaged box of beliefs so your mind is no longer your own. Once you "accept as truth every word" that someone else has said, especially someone you've never met who may or may not have ever lived over 2000 years ago, you have given away your intellectual sovereignty. I recommend you retain your intellectual sovereignty, don't "accept as truth every word" written or said by anyone, remain critical and skeptical and continue using your own intuition and discernment. The only reason you would "accept as truth every word" Jesus said is because of the existential THREAT Christianity presents people with, namely, "accept as truth every word" and go to heaven, or don't accept and spend an eternity in hell. 




As I said in Asbestos Head:

Asbestos is very concerned about religion so he tries attending the local God’s Anonymous meetings every week where every weak soul sits in rows, mouth closed, listening to some guy’s interpretation of twelve guy’s interpretations of some guy’s metaphorical teachings from two thousand years ago. He finds this as useful as a hole in the head only more damaging to his brain, so he starts studying theology, philosophy, and the history of metaphysics for himself and finds that it’s this manner of introspection, this questioning of the unanswerable that expands his spiritual awareness and fills him with what some call God’s love, some call peace of mind, and others call crawling from the allegorical cave and seeing the light. 

For him the light manifests as a series of realizations regarding the nature of knowledge. Mainly that he knows nothing, and neither does anyone else; including priests, mathematicians, scientists, and all other people using God, Numbers or Formulas to magically boost their ideas from subjective interpretations to Objective Truths. 

Asbestos decides it’s his spiritual responsibility to study the thoughts and beliefs of everyone around him and throughout recorded history, because arbitrarily choosing a church or simply inheriting religion is lazy, limiting, and inconsiderate. It’s lazy because you leave spirituality up to genetics or geography. It’s limiting because you loose faith in anything outside your pre-packaged box of beliefs. And it’s inconsiderate because by choosing any exclusive religion you make the decision that all others are wrong.

Even members of the few religions that encourage open practice of other religions are bound to their group identity like poster-children, constantly defending the individuality in their collective faith. But that’s like bragging how modest you are. If you wish a collective relationship with some group’s conception of God, go find the next Holy place, read it’s Holy text, perform some Holy rituals then go home alone feeling like Holy shit, spitting out someone else’s existential excrement. If you wish a personal relationship with God, there’s no religion to follow, no group to join, and no book to read. There’s nothing to do but wander the world ever wondering why, and never decide.

Ultimately, any system that gives answers to metaphysical questions is suspect because it grants Truth to things We can’t know through experience. A more educated approach to the unknown is utter agnostic apostasy: accept you don’t know and couldn’t even know you’re right if you knew it. Spiritual questioning is best left unanswered and simply explored throughout Our lives as We all exist in the mystery.

Asbestos decides the library is his church. All its texts are holy and worthy of worship. Its eloquent architecture is awe-inspiring. He feels a strong sense of communion with everyone in the building - hundreds of life’s parishioners seeking answers, entertainment, and each other. Coming together, honoring the Authors by reading them, then creating their own holy rituals to revere them: some taking their wisdom and passing it on in dinner discussions, others writing in their own ideas and continuing the scriptures. 




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When Columbus first came ashore and was greeted by the Arawak native Americans with smiles, gifts and food, he wrote in his log: “They brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things … they willingly traded everything they owned … They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane … They would make fine servants … With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.” (Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States”)



From the very outset Columbus was writing about conquering and enslaving the natives. Meanwhile the Arawaks, brought gifts, prepared food, and traded everything they owned. Columbus wrote that the natives “are so naïve and so free with their possessions that no one who has not witnessed them would believe it. When you ask for something they have, they never say no. To the contrary, they offer to share with anyone.” He also wrote, “I believe that they would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they had no religion.” The European settlers took a free society without possessions, property, currency, hierarchy or written religion and replaced it with today’s America – the world’s shining beacon of selfish materialism, where every square inch of land/water/airspace is publicly or privately owned, taxed, and governed through a corrupt hierarchical system of laws and regulations where Mother Nature’s gifts are treated as personal possessions to be bought, sold, owned and defended.



Howard Zinn, in “A People’s History of the United States” continues: “Columbus wrote: ‘As soon as I arrived in the Indies, on the first Island which I found, I took some of the natives by force in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts.’ The information that Columbus wanted most was: Where is the gold? … His second expedition was given seventeen ships and more than twelve hundred men. The aim was clear: slaves and gold … They went from island to island in the Caribbean, taking Indians as captives … roaming the island in gangs looking for gold, taking women and children as slaves for sex and labor.”

“It was his [Columbus’] avowed aim to ‘convert the heathen Indians to our Holy Faith’ that warranted the enslaving and exporting of thousands of Native Americans. That such treatment resulted in complete genocide did not matter as much as that these natives had been given the opportunity of everlasting life through their exposure to Christianity. The same sort of thinking also gave Westerners license to rape women. In his own words, Columbus described how he himself ‘took [his] pleasure’ with a native woman after whipping her ‘soundly’ with a piece of rope.” -Helen Ellerbe, “The Dark Side of Christian History” (86-88)



By 1508 the settlers were responsible for 3-4 million native American deaths. We are not talking about some guy who accidentally bumped into America looking for a spice-trade route to India, but that’s what the standardized textbooks continue to tell our children. Columbus, the conquistadors, the Pirates, and many pilgrims were hostile and ruthless groups of settlers who were collectively responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of natives. Howard Zinn continues: “the Spaniards thought nothing of knifing Indians by tens and twenties and of cutting slices off them to test the sharpness of their blades … Las Cases says, ‘from 1494 to 1508 over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it.’”



Bartolome De Las Cases was a catholic priest who witnessed the atrocities being committed in the name of God and wrote prolifically denouncing his fellow countrymen. Bartolome De Las Casas sailed to the “New World” in 1502 and recorded many of the things he saw in his book, “The Devastation of the Indies”:

“With my own eyes I saw Spaniards cut off the nose, hands and ears of Indians, male and female, without provocation, merely because it pleased them to do it … Likewise, I saw how they summoned the caciques and the chief rulers to come, assuring them safety, and when they peacefully came, they were taken captive and burned … (The Spaniards) took babies from their mothers’ breasts, grabbing them by the feet and smashing their heads against rocks … They built a long gibbet, low enough for the toes to touch the ground and prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen at a time in honor of Christ Our Savior and the twelve Apostles … Then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive … When the Spaniards had collected a great deal of gold from the Indians, they shut them up in three big houses, crowding in as many as they could, then set fire to the houses, burning alive all that were in them, yet those Indians had given no cause nor made any resistance …They would cut an Indian’s hands and leave them dangling by a shred of skin … they would test their swords and their manly strength on captured Indians and place bets on the slicing off of heads or cutting of bodies in half with one blow.”



On every island Columbus ‘discovered’ he planted a cross, claiming ownership for his Spanish Catholic patrons. He read declarations of God-given right to the native’s land in a language they couldn’t understand: “I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your country and shall make war against you … and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church … and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him.” (D. Stannard, “American Holocaust”)

Perhaps you can understand why the word “cretin” derives from “Christian.” Native American chief Hatuey was captured and burned alive by the Christians. As he was being tied down, a Franciscan friar urged Hatuey to take Jesus into his heart so that he may go to heaven and not hell. The chief replied that if heaven was where Christians went, he would rather go to hell.


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