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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:44 pm

Posted by theorist on 05/05/2015
The conspiracy that Titanic did not sink and it was the sister ship the Olympic, with the Titanic's name on it. According to the theory, the Titanic itself remained in service for years after 1912, badged up as the Olympic. 

It goes that it was an insurance job and to sink the ship, a hole was blown in the hull. There was a ship meant to rescue everyone, but it was waiting 12 miles off course. Maybe this is a true conspiracy and they are trying to shill their way out a little by saying JP Morgan "never meant to" kill over a thousand people.

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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:44 pm

Posted by rebecca on 05/05/2015
I looked at this conspiracy sometime back. It is an interesting one. 

I found this piece of information perhaps one of the motive for the sinking. Though they always kill more than one bird with one stone! 

Necessary to their plans, the Federal Reserve did have some opposition; those who saw what the future would become if banking was outside of the government’s hands, the rates set by a private company such as the Fed. All the wealthy and powerful men the Jesuits wanted to get rid of were invited to take the cruise. Three of the richest and most important of these were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strauss, the head of Macy’s Department Stores, and John Jacob Astor, probably the wealthiest man in the world. Their total wealth, at that time, using dollar values of their day was more than 500 million dollars. Today that amount of money would be worth nearly eleven billion dollars. These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the floating palace. They had to be destroyed because the Jesuits knew they would use their wealth and influence to oppose a Federal Reserve Bank as well as the various wars that were being planned. - See more at: www.titanicuniverse.com/the-titanic-conspiracy#sthash.GKwuTa4R.dpuf

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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:44 pm

Posted by theorist on 05/05/2015
Also, the man himself JP Morgan cancelled his voyage at the last minute, some people get all the "luck".

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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:45 pm

Posted by schpankme on 05/06/2015
The simple answer is, that there was only ONE ship built, and the fake was sunk on an Iceberg where no one could find it.

Maybe you should also question the claims that say they found the wreck of the RMS Titanic.

RMS Titanic
Construction started: March 31, 1909
Launched:                           May 31, 1911

RMS Olympic 
Construction started:     Dec 16, 1908
Launched:                  October 20, 1910

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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:45 pm

Posted by theorist on 05/06/2015
May 5, 2015 14:49:49 GMT schpankme said:
The simple answer is, that there was only ONE ship built, and the fake was sunk on an Iceberg where no one could find it.

Maybe you should also question the claims that say they found the wreck of the RMS Titanic.

RMS Titanic
Construction started: March 31, 1909
Launched:                           May 31, 1911

HMS Olympus
Construction started:  April 14, 1927
Launched:                          Dec 11, 1928



Its RMS Olympic, not HMS Olympus.

The RMS Olympic was completed about one year before the RMS Titanic.

RMS Olympic completed on 31st May 1911

RMS Titanic completed on 2nd April 1912

One other thing that points to a conspiracy is that as a child I was only ever told there was this ship, the RMS Titanic. At no point at all in my entire lifetime have I ever been told there was a sister ship of equal grandiosity! This alone sets off alarm bells, almost as if they didn't want people knowing there was an RMS Olympic at all, now why would that be.  

There's a reason they said Titanic was unsinkable - it was unsinkable

If the conspiracy is to be believed they would have just planted explosives inside the hull to cause a big hole in it. Whichever expedition team explored the wreck could just show this, but never does. They couldn't plant explosives on the outside, people would see it, this means if it had a bomb on it, the metal will be exploded outwards, not bent in like if an iceberg had hit it.

Are there any pictures of the hole in the hull anywhere? Even if there are they can easily be faked.

JP Morgan has been dead for more than 100 years and they are still protecting him even now. That to me is just surreal. 

I don't know if this is real but if it is, there it is. The hole is blown outwards.

Trying to find a pic of the hull is like trying to find a pic of Earth from space. So there's no actual proof it was an iceberg collision apart from people on the ship at the time assuming thats what the loud bang was. No wonder it remains covered up. The only way to prove this is to have equipment that can film beyond 3,000 meters underwater AND you'd have to be investigating it independently. No one in the world has the money, or the passion. Its just like Antarctica in that regard, no you're not going there, no you can't know that.





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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:45 pm

Posted by schpankme on 05/06/2015
May 5, 2015 20:01:04 GMT theorist said:
The RMS Olympic was completed about one year before the RMS Titanic



There is only perfect Video, from Deep Dives, for the ship with 9/11 connected to it.

RMS Titanic
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Launched:                       1911

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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:46 pm

Posted by lizardking on 05/06/2015
The Federal Reserve theory sounds a lot more probable to me than an insurance scam, but I agree with Rebecca that these things tend to serve more than one purpose.

newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/14/author-predicts-titanic-sinking-14-years-earlier/

There's definitely a conspiracy, no matter what it is.

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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:46 pm

Posted by schpankme on 05/06/2015
May 5, 2015 20:56:49 GMT lizardking said:
newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/14/author-predicts-titanic-sinking-14-years-earlier/



"The Titanic .. struck an iceberg and sank near Newfoundland, killing 1550 people."

1+5+5+0 = 11

IMO - There never was a Titanic that could be Sunk.

"titan, from Greek titan, member of a mythological race of giants"

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:46 pm

Posted by lizardking on 05/06/2015

May 5, 2015 20:01:04 GMT theorist said:
Are there any pictures of the hole in the hull anywhere? Even if there are they can easily be faked.

JP Morgan has been dead for more than 100 years and they are still protecting him even now. That to me is just surreal. 

I don't know if this is real but if it is, there it is. The hole is blown outwards.

Trying to find a pic of the hull is like trying to find a pic of Earth from space. So there's no actual proof it was an iceberg collision apart from people on the ship at the time assuming thats what the loud bang was. No wonder it remains covered up. The only way to prove this is to have equipment that can film beyond 3,000 meters underwater AND you'd have to be investigating it independently. No one in the world has the money, or the passion. Its just like Antarctica in that regard, no you're not going there, no you can't know that.





None of the photos of the wreck look real to me.

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/9648097._I_can_prove_it_was_not_Titanic_that_sank_/

Is this the book you base your beliefs on? Just wondering.

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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:47 pm

Posted by lizardking on 05/06/2015

If the wreckage is really there, why did James Cameron fake all the footage for his film? & say in 2010 he could've done a better job faking it with todays CGI instead of using models in fishtanks?

For me the proof is in the lies which contradict each other, like Jack Grimm using sonar over the site in 1980 & finding nothing.

sanctuaries.noaa.gov/maritime...peditions.html

5 years later Ballard finds it in the same spot & years later admits it was secret military op. It's odd how Ballard told French researchers it would be in that exact place before they left on that expedition.

Witnesses in the lifeboats who saw the ship standing vertical on it's stern & snapping in half are lying, if it went straight down intact then it's those witnesses telling lies, both events can't happen at the same time.

Anyone who sees a ship bringing back a piece of rusty metal & believing that to be absolute proof is as gullible as those who believe that piece of red & silver aluminium on Pentagon lawn came from a plane.

Titanic was passed as seaworthy by the Board of Trade Inspection without any inspection taking place, the papers, signed by bribed officials are the only proof it existed.

www.vincelewis.net/titanic.html

Every other passenger ship had to be inspected at Liverpool before it was allowed to sail.

Quote:
Although Titanic didn't visit the city, the organisation of her maiden voyage, including the selection of her officers, was overseen by Charles Bartlett, White Star’s marine superintendent at Liverpool. At least ninety members of Titanic’s crew on that tragic voyage

www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/m...liverpool.aspx


www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061925899&postcount=45


What I find particularly interesting is that 173 of the 175 crewmen who worked in the bowels of the ship refused this sail. In a time where there was no social security and high unemployment this is particularly surprising. They obviously didn’t like something about the ship.

www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061736064&postcount=4


Father Francis Browne, a Jesuit priest, boarded the Titanic at Southampton - his uncle the Bishop of Cloyne (also a Jesuit) had bought him a first-class ticket to Queenstown in Ireland, where the ship stopped en route to America. The Bishop also bought Father Browne a camera, which he used to take photographs of many of the crew and passengers -



During the voyage from Southampton to Ireland Father Browne was befriended by an American millionaire and his wife, who offered to pay his fare all the way to America. Father Browne telegraphed his Jesuit superiors in Dublin for permission - when he got to Queenstown there was a reply waiting for him by telegram - it read 'GET OFF THAT SHIP'.

www.jesuit.org/blog/index.php...rancis-browne/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Browne


www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061736295&postcount=7


For the record these are just some of the people who turned down a chance to sail on the maiden voyage of the famous Titanic for a collection of trivial reasons.
Norman Craig - King’s Counsel and MP booked a ticket but didn’t sail. He could give no reason for his sudden change of mind.
Second officer David Blair- He got as far as Southampton but then for some reason was replaced by the less experienced Chief Officer Henry Wilde.
Alfred Gwynne Vanderbilt I an extremely wealthy member of the Vanderbit family. Apparently someone in his family warned him not to sail. In his haste not to sail his servant was left on board and perished.
Henry Clay Frick One of the wealthiest Americans and industrialists. He failed to sail because his wife sprained her ankle.
J P Morgan - Banker and owner of the Titanic. JP Morgan changed his minds and didn’t sail on the Titanic instead deciding to prolong his stay in Europe.
Horace J Harding financial magnate instead chose to sail on the Mauretania
Reverend Holden, Archbishop Thomas J. Madden and Rev. J.S. Wardell Stafford were all due to speak at a Christian Conservation Congress. However they all independently chose not to sail.
Milton S. Hershey inventor of the chocolate bar paid $300 deposit for the Titanic ticket. However he never used it instead he sailed on a different ship.
President of the White star line J B Ismay’s wife was another noteworthy absentee. Although a regular on maiden voyages this time she chose to take a motoring holiday instead.


www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061736650&postcount=14

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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:49 pm

Posted by lizardking on 05/06/2015









This video is anti any conspiracy regarding the Titanic but it does highlight that the "M" and "P" are (potentially) CGI.


The "M" in Olympic would be in the same place as the "A" in "Titanic", yet we just saw the letter "A" moments ago.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:49 pm

Posted by theorist on 05/06/2015

May 5, 2015 20:13:18 GMT schpankme said:
May 5, 2015 20:01:04 GMT theorist said:
The RMS Olympic was completed about one year before the RMS Titanic


There is only perfect Video, from Deep Dives, for the ship with 9/11 connected to it.

RMS Titanic
Construction started: 1909
Launched:                       1911





schpankme you just put the construction starting and completing for one ship.

The Olympic was completed about a year before the Titanic was completed.

That means the Olympic existed when the Titanic was launched and thus the "Titanic" could have been the Olympic.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:49 pm

Posted by schpankme on 05/06/2015

May 6, 2015 1:55:59 GMT theorist said:
schpankme you just put the construction starting and completing for one ship.

the "Titanic" could have been the Olympic


I've provided for both ships on multiple occasion, yet you seem to need the 9/11 ship to be real; I don't.

RMS Titanic
Construction started: March 31, 1909
Launched:                           May 31, 1911

RMS Olympic
Construction started:    Dec 16, 1908
Launched:                 October 20, 1910

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:50 pm

Posted by theorist on 05/07/2015
9/11 ship?

The Olympic could have been swapped with the Titanic if the Olympic was manufactured first and it was.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:50 pm

Posted by schpankme on 05/07/2015

May 7, 2015 0:58:37 GMT theorist said:
9/11 ship?

The Olympic could have been swapped with the Titanic if the Olympic was manufactured first and it was.

Lets follow your logic:

Titanic, from the "mythological race of giants", was built in 09' and launched in 11', and was found years later 
by CGI, after killing 1550 (11) people on-board!

Construction started: March 31, 1909
Launched:                            May 31, 1911

Does that look remotely real to you?  Or did they sink the Olympic?
" Olympic enjoyed a long and illustrious career, spanning 24 years "

Whats on the Bottom?

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:51 pm

Posted by theorist on 05/08/2015

May 7, 2015 2:30:44 GMT schpankme said:
May 7, 2015 0:58:37 GMT theorist said:
9/11 ship?

The Olympic could have been swapped with the Titanic if the Olympic was manufactured first and it was.



Lets follow your logic:

Titanic, from the "mythological race of giants", was built in 09' and launched in 11', and was found years later 
by CGI, after killing 1550 (11) people on-board!

Construction started: March 31, 1909
Launched:                            May 31, 1911

Does that look remotely real to you?  Or did they sink the Olympic?
" Olympic enjoyed a long and illustrious career, spanning 24 years "

Whats on the Bottom?



The Olympic relabeled as the Titanic. 

"Olympic enjoyed a long and illustrious career, spanning 24 years"

Should read: "Titanic (rebadged as the Olympic) enjoyed a long and illustrious career, spanning 24 years"

The theory goes they could repaint the lettering and change the cutlery around overnight and swap the ships around in the dark.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:52 pm

Posted by schpankme on 05/08/2015

May 8, 2015 1:27:10 GMT theorist said:

The Olympic relabeled as the Titanic. 




They made one ship for FREE; after the insurance fraud.  First you show CGI images of the Titanic Sunk on the Ocean 
Floor, and now it was a "relabeled" vessel, that was in Service for 24 years.  Which is it?

Could they have "relabeled" the Olympic to Fool the Insurance Surveyor?  YES

Whats next, step me through the scam, One real and One Fake vessel?

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:52 pm

Posted by theorist on 05/09/2015
Nothing needs to be fake. I don't know what you're talking about.

A ship was built, it was called RMS Olympic.
A year later a nearly identical "sister ship" as they call it, was built, it was called RMS Titanic.
The Olympic needed a lot of money spending on it for repairs, so they just relabeled the Titanic as the Olympic and left it wherever the Olympic was and they relabeled the (older ship) Olympic as the Titanic and pretended it was a brand new launch.

Nothing is fake or needs to be.

Thats like saying "How can Apple make an iPhone version 4 and version 5? One must be fake."

There's nothing untoward about making a "sister ship" and it certainly wasn't out of the ordinary to do so.

Why would they set about designing a whole new ship if they can just use the blueprints of an already designed ship.

The only difference was one ship had an extra porthole.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:52 pm

Posted by schpankme on 05/09/2015

May 8, 2015 16:51:53 GMT theorist said:
Nothing needs to be fake

RMS Olympic
A year later a nearly identical "sister ship" .. RMS Titanic.
The Olympic needed a lot of money for repairs

they just relabeled the Titanic as the Olympic


In my scenario the Fake Vessel:
Titanic begins in 09' launched in 11',  and was found years later by CGI,  after killing  1550 (11)  people on-board!

In your scenario:
They Spend money to build two near identical ships, both are in Service and one (Olympic) gets damaged,  then 
they "relabel" the two vessels,  and kill off one of the Twins in the story-line;  and in the process  kill 1550 people.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:53 pm

Posted by theorist on 05/09/2015
The two ships were photographed together.





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Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:54 pm

Posted by schpankme on 05/10/2015
Look at this picture, there are two (2) groups of men, and all of them are tending to the ship on the LEFT.  Look at the 
white faces on the left, looking left; as with any  Dock Activity  there are a few strays wondering around, but the bulk 
of the work is tending to the ship, as the Tug works.

TITANIC FAKE



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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:54 pm

Posted by csp on 06/29/2015

Jun 28, 2015 14:33:54 GMT thinkforyourself said:
Great work, these are very interesting. 

I think that it is very telling that the NWO chose to have the UK, the USA and Russia as their three main power bases, especially after looking at this map: www.fulltable.com/vts/f/fortune/reh/SH512.jpg

It makes sense that they would be based in those areas, because it allows them to fully block off all access to the Arctic, and thus to the secrets hidden there, such as Mount Meru. Apart from the US and Russia, only tiny and weak Greenland is close to the Arctic, and that poor nation is occupied by the US. 





I concur, this appears to be the main organisation patrolling the area:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Ice_Patrol



The International Ice Patrol is an organization with the purpose of monitoring the presence of icebergs in the Atlantic and Arctic Oceans and reporting their movements for safety purposes. It is operated by United States Coast Guard but is funded by the 13 nations interested in trans-Atlantic navigation. As of 2011 the governments contributing to the International Ice Patrol include Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Panama, Poland, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom, and the United States of America.[1]



The organization was established in 1914 in response to the sinking of the RMS Titanic. The primary mission of the Ice Patrol is to alert any seacraft traveling the great circle shipping lanes between Europe and the major ports of the United States and Canada of the presence of any icebergs there. [2]





We all have no doubt heard the NWO connection to the Titanic, I also find this interesting (the Olympic was a sister ship to the titanic - www.starway.org/Titanic/Sister_Ships.html):



On 1st September 1915 the Olympic was requisitioned by the British Government for war service as a troopship. Later she received a coat of dazzle paint designed to confuse enemy observers. Perhaps her most famous exploit of the war years was when she struck and sank a German submarine, U103.




So... Olympic hits a U130 and the submarine sinks, yet the Titanic hits an Iceberg and sinks itself? Think about that for a moment!

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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:55 pm

Posted by thinkforyourself on 06/29/2015

Jun 29, 2015 1:29:19 GMT csp said:
Jun 28, 2015 14:33:54 GMT thinkforyourself said:
Great work, these are very interesting. 

I think that it is very telling that the NWO chose to have the UK, the USA and Russia as their three main power bases, especially after looking at this map: www.fulltable.com/vts/f/fortune/reh/SH512.jpg

It makes sense that they would be based in those areas, because it allows them to fully block off all access to the Arctic, and thus to the secrets hidden there, such as Mount Meru. Apart from the US and Russia, only tiny and weak Greenland is close to the Arctic, and that poor nation is occupied by the US. 


I concur, this appears to be the main organisation patrolling the area:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Ice_Patrol


The International Ice Patrol is an organization with the purpose of monitoring the presence of icebergs in the Atlantic and Arctic Oceans and reporting their movements for safety purposes. It is operated by United States Coast Guard but is funded by the 13 nations interested in trans-Atlantic navigation. As of 2011 the governments contributing to the International Ice Patrol include Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Panama, Poland, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom, and the United States of America.[1]



The organization was established in 1914 in response to the sinking of the RMS Titanic. The primary mission of the Ice Patrol is to alert any seacraft traveling the great circle shipping lanes between Europe and the major ports of the United States and Canada of the presence of any icebergs there. [2]


We all have no doubt heard the NWO connection to the Titanic, I also find this interesting (the Olympic was a sister ship to the titanic - www.starway.org/Titanic/Sister_Ships.html):


On 1st September 1915 the Olympic was requisitioned by the British Government for war service as a troopship. Later she received a coat of dazzle paint designed to confuse enemy observers. Perhaps her most famous exploit of the war years was when she struck and sank a German submarine, U103.

So... Olympic hits a U130 and the submarine sinks, yet the Titanic hits an Iceberg and sinks itself? Think about that for a moment!



That is very interesting; so the fake Titanic sinking could have just been a false flag to allow the NWO to patrol and police the Arctic, via their International Ice Patrol. 

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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:55 pm

Posted by csp on 06/29/2015

Jun 29, 2015 10:48:34 GMT thinkforyourself said:
That is very interesting; so the fake Titanic sinking could have just been a false flag to allow the NWO to patrol and police the Arctic, via their International Ice Patrol. 



I think the Titanic was a multi faceted approach, much like most "conspiracies", have you seen the federal reserve/jp morgan connection? The Ice Patrol wasn't until a fair few years later, but with that being said I bet it would have scared any other boats off from trying, especially how they labelled the Titanic "unsinkable", but it wasn't actually called "unsinkable" until after it sunk.

This thread on reddit covers it well (I suggest reading comments too):
www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1xni4f/did_jp_morgan_build_the_titanic_to_kill_off_the/

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Re: The Titanic Conspiracy Thread

Post by Thinkforyourself on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:56 pm

Posted by thinkforyourself on 06/29/2015

Jun 29, 2015 11:12:38 GMT csp said:
Jun 29, 2015 10:48:34 GMT thinkforyourself said:
That is very interesting; so the fake Titanic sinking could have just been a false flag to allow the NWO to patrol and police the Arctic, via their International Ice Patrol. 

I think the Titanic was a multi faceted approach, much like most "conspiracies", have you seen the federal reserve/jp morgan connection? The Ice Patrol wasn't until a fair few years later, but with that being said I bet it would have scared any other boats off from trying, especially how they labelled the Titanic "unsinkable", but it wasn't actually called "unsinkable" until after it sunk.

This thread on reddit covers it well (I suggest reading comments too):
www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1xni4f/did_jp_morgan_build_the_titanic_to_kill_off_the/




Maybe I am confused, but what you quoted said: ''The organization was established in 1914 in response to the sinking of the RMS Titanic. The primary mission of the Ice Patrol is to alert any seacraft traveling the great circle shipping lanes between Europe and the major ports of the United States and Canada of the presence of any icebergs there.''

Doesn't that mean that the sinking of the Titanic was used as an excuse for the creation of the IIP?

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