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Post by Ireckonso on Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:49 am

Like using flat earth to differentiate between peoples understanding of things what thought they've given to life and death is revealing as well.  Sometimes it's baffling...  Let me pause to give thanks for the life of Tom Petty, my favorite performer/ songwriter.  He now knows what we do not...
There's a couple of forks in the road that can mentioned.  Being that I am currently in the body, my dualism tells me if A is right and B though Z are different than B through Z are wrong.  If Springfield is over there it can't be over here.  Makes it hard for me to adapt to an all roads lead to the same place gestalt.  How each of us resolves this question immediately sends us down our own roads.  Then we each answer the question of how we are connected to God.  For some we come from God we return to God sometimes with steps in-between.   For others we live we die that's it.  Most fall somewhere in the first group.  
But the biggest question has to be who is God.  Why does He do what He does?  However you answer that dictates the rest.  If we rush to figure out the first two forks before contemplating this we go nowhere.  The only way I can make sense out of this life is to believe this is a test of fire, a light that reveals everything about us.  We develop we become what is our individual essence.  God uses life to separate the wheat from the chaff the chosen from the lost.  I think the books are right.  God first created beings greater than ourselves and did something similar, now here we are, what comes next?  We shun a future belief of fire and brimstone because it ends our free reign preferring instead something less punitive.  But to be free of harsh realities the next world would have to be completely unlike this one.  I'm going with this world prepares us for the next.  The realities exposed in us during this life determine the realities we experience in the next.  
In the movie Secondhand Lions Robert Duvall gives a what every boy needs to know to become a man speech.  In it he says, "Some things you believe in not because they're true but because if they aren't they ought to be."  I think we know what ought to be true because our inner voice tells us it is.  And I think everyone hears that voice even if they can't respond to it.

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Post by Schpankme on Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:07 am

Ireckonso wrote:
life and death is revealing as well
Sometimes it's baffling...  
Tom Petty, now knows what we do not...

how we are connected to God 
who is God
Why does He do what He does
I think the books are right
this world prepares us for the next
this life determine the realities we experience in the next
we know what ought to be true because our inner voice tells us it is

So, under the guise of Tom Petty's death; you tell us about being Indoctrinated to PENIS WORSHIP as read in the Abrahamic Religions?

Did your HE God create the HE Man, and then the Women could go forth and populate the world, make all the decisions and do all the negotiating for most Tribes, outside of PENIS WORSHIP?

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Post by Ireckonso on Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:56 pm

Not sure how you got your conclusions from what I said.  I brought up Tom Petty to point out two things.  One, death becomes more more real when you see someone who has been part of your life for so many years leave for good.  Second, I felt it was a nice way to remind everyone in this topic to remember WE DON'T KNOW.  We're alive... so we are guessing.  No one is an authority.   Neither of us knows.  
Perhaps I should go back to something you may have missed in my talking points.  Harsh reality is another way of saying the school of hard knocks.  Many talk about a pathway in this life and the next that leads to becoming god or a higher being than we are now.  Let me tweak that a bit.  I believe we are eternal beings.  At death we shed this body and our soul leaves it.  Some more than others sense this soul, this eternal being we are and mistake it for being god.  More correctly I believe we have a higher place in the universe than the condition we find ourselves in now in this mortal body but it is not to become god.  Rather we are finding our place in the universe.  Where we belong.  Everyone does not get the top spot.  Yes we have the capacity to become greater but we are not the creator, that role is already taken.  
Shunning fire and brimstone because it puts limits on our freedoms is to say you can't have it all.  Finding your place means learning and accepting your limits.  It's the first lesson we learn when we cry as a baby.  We have limits and are dependent on ones greater than ourselves.  It's a hard lesson.  Some cultures teach this as learning self control.  Wax on wax off.  As you grow you find no matter how good you get at anything there's always someone better.  
Yes I fall into the camp with those believing in the God of the bible.  Shoot me.  It saddens me to think that some find that so offensive although I am fully aware of of how messed up many have been holding to that belief system.  As per the Big Bamboo Album, "I used to be messed up on drugs now I'm messed up on God."    I think the benefit of having this discussion is to put our beliefs into words, a process which clarifies our thoughts.  Not using traditional words to describe our beliefs forces us to think through our beliefs from other perspectives and broadens our search for truth.  
Supposing that everyone in this forum believes in the flat earth with a firmament leads me to think most believe earth was created.  If I believe in the God of the bible it does not have to follow that I am the same thick headed annoying type of individual that has bothered you before.
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Post by Ireckonso on Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:36 pm

There was a brilliant young woman constantly seeking knowledge who heard of yogi across the world holding the answers to the secret of life.  Quickly she abandoned everything and sought out after him.  After a long hard journey she was led to the top of a great mountain where she found the yogi sitting in the snow, eyes closed, meditating.  Politely she waited for his eyes to open.  The next day they did and she pleaded with him to share his great secret.  Whereupon he raised a finger to the heavens and declared, "Life is like a waterfall."  At this the woman stood and hollered, "You mean to tell me I traveled across the world to hear you tell me life is like a waterfall?!  Surprised the yogi looked up at her and replied, "You mean it isn't?"

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Post by Schpankme on Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:33 pm

Ireckonso wrote:  
I [believe] in the God of the bible
I'm messed up on God
this forum believes in the flat earth with a firmament
most believe earth was created
it does not have to follow that I am the same thick headed annoying type of individual that has bothered you before

You are exactly as I have described, you came here thinking you would some how interject Biblical Bullshit into this forum; let me suggest you move along and/or sit back and read this forum.

Please READ the Topic:  Warning For Religious People
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Post by FL@T-E@RTH on Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:39 pm

What I find amusing is with religion it's all about getting in to heaven, be a good slave, follow the rules and in the next life you will be rewarded.
Main point is: Do as you're told and you will be reward in the future.

Mainstream life is much the same, do as you're told, work hard at school, work hard at your job and you'll be rewarded in the future with material possessions and wealth.
Main point is: Do as you're told and you'll be rewarded in the future.

Anyone see a pattern there? Do as you're told by an omnipotent system and you'll be rewarded in the future, whether religion or mainstream life.
In fact, all that really matters is the present, what you do NOW is more important than the future.

In the same way the bible commands followers to adhere to Gods rules, our social system commands us to follow the rules & subsequent laws and woe-betide anyone who does not follow those rules.
Damnation in hell or life in prison, sounds like the same control system to me!


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Post by Ireckonso on Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:36 pm

Wow!  Schpankme chill  out.  Yea though I walk through the valley of poop I will not let it stick to me.  Sorry you feel so threatened.  Ya know there are many things that can hurt you in life.  No one can protect you from that.  But I hope you are able to move forward when they occur.  
I came here to share, give and receive.  I am not a trojan horse.  You see the name I chose for this forum.  It implies agreement.  I came to find and explore places where other flat earthers and I can enable each other to grow.  What, do you think I just opened up the page and started typing? Trust me I've read what others think. I'm not basing what I think on what others think. If I wanted to be a negative force, dividing and making trouble I might start attacking someone I disagree with.  
As for the pattern in this life of doing what you're told leading to reward maybe we should take a step back and look at that again.  Jesus broke the rules, Martin Luther broke the rules, the founders of America broke the rules, flat earthers are breaking the rules.  There are several layers of thinking that lead a person to "obey" or break the rules.  Certainly some obey because they are told.  Others do it to answer to a higher calling.  To throw out obedience because some obey due to low levels of thought does not encapsulate all forms of obedience.  If you walk off a cliff you will die.  Like it or not.  If told not to walk off cliffs yes you will be another birdbrained obeyer but it could be you were told this for your own good. We must not be so reckless as to make things so simplistic.  If you mother says,"Come here," are you coming because she said so or because you love your mother?  
It cannot be denied that blind obedience has been used by all forms bullies to foist agendas on allowed behavior.  Those here in this forum have naturally been selected as ones who won't always obey.  We have minds of our own.  And you know what?  I might say something that later I find out is wrong.  OMG?  I might learn something.

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Post by ForeverThePhilosopher on Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:05 pm

I remember years ago, as a shyling, in a spa with a woman. She asked me, what is this life, why are we here?

Replete with the lust of my becoming, I dipped my head in the water and looked back at her.

She beckoned, "Why are we here, what is us?"

I replied, "Do you remember when you were born?

She said, "No."

I replied, "Then how is it that you will recall when you shall die? We have always been here."


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Post by Guest on Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:46 pm

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still conjecture from your end and why you are here is not answered but sidestepped with 'we have always been here' which you don't know.

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Post by visionseeker on Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:48 am

Great post, Eric, I loved it and it totally resonates with my own philosophy! Thank you, bro! Very Happy

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Post by susie on Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:10 am

Along this line of research.

Proof of Reincarnation
“In order to collect his data, Dr. Stevenson methodically documents the child's statements of a previous life. Then he identifies the deceased person the child remembers being, and verifies the facts of the deceased person's life that match the child's memory. He even matches birthmarks and birth defects to wounds and scars on the deceased, verified by medical records. His strict methods systematically rule out all possible "normal" explanations for the child’s memories.”
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Post by RelearningLogic on Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:32 am

Stop Worrying! There Probably is an Afterlife https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GBLRNTS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_B5vRDb2VW55FB

Interesting and factual book.
Would be great to know what Eric and everyone think of it.

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Post by Admin on Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:13 am

I haven't read that book, but I do have a Death and Afterlife section on my website worth checking out:

https://ericdubay.wordpress.com/category/death-and-afterlife/
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Post by Rungar on Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:12 am

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The simplest answer is that this is hell. Would you really know you were in hell? All the devils are here. All the lies and deceptions are here. What do you know for sure thats true? You either have to kill something or grow something in shit to eat and you have to keep doing it until you die. Its either too cold or too hot or too dry or too rainy.  Your a biological fleshly bag of shit furnace with a time limit thats flawed, inefficient and ignorant. You spend your entire life trying to avoid pain, which comes at you from all directions. Everything here is killing everything else here to live. You are supplied with just enough hope to keep it all rolling. No wonder babies cry when they get here. They know.

only when you compare that a spiritual existence that that you might think of as a kind of self sustaining electrical field.. say like a permanent magnet and you realize that hell is the material inefficient existence and heaven is the spiritual electrical efficient existence. It might be a little more complex than just electrical.  My pet theory is that we all come to hell ( material world) to "recharge" through suffering and you cant get out until your charge is complete.  

From this perspective God isnt so bad. Its tolerable here for the most part and when it becomes intolerable you usually die pretty quick...  

How do i know spirits exist? I have to tell you a story about my dads death for that.

My father was a hardcore alcoholic who dried out about 30 years ago. When he got to 71 he developed an acute form of rapid dementia and quickly lost his mind over the course of 6 months or so. It got so advanced that he no longer believed i was his son and lots of other crazy shit. One day after 30 years of being sober he decided to go drinking without telling anyone and fell asleep in a snowbank and froze to death before we managed to find him.

The night he died i had a dream and in the dream i was looking through someones elses eyes and it was hard to see because it looked like i was looking through broken glass. He kept struggling to see  to see though and he/I saw a being of pure light approach in the snow. I cant describe it as anything else. It had the shape of a man but was made out of light and his eyes were even brighter. Next i saw it just went up and up through darkness a couple of layers until it hit the light at the top and the dream ended.  I woke up in the middle of the night. Normally i can only sleep on my face but this night i woke up on my back with my hands in clasped together. I thought it was a crazy dream and went back to sleep. Only the next day did i learn the old man passed on and had froze to death. I can only assume i was seeing through his eyes in the dream and the broken glass was the frost in his eyes. Was just a dream?  One hell of a coincidence if you ask me.

So faith is required for some, but not me. I know what i saw and its pretty easy to believe after something like that. Im gonna stick to Jesus teachings that my suffering is of great value. Perhaps ill make parole like the old man one day. No hurry, just something to look forward to.

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