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Post by Haze Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:45 am

Thinkforyourself wrote:[b]

Question: Do we know what are the Ancient's beliefs about the cause of the tides?

This might be a stupid question, but where does the ocean go when the tides retreat? confused

The Ancient Greeks described the deepest circle of Hades as Tartarus: "the deeper part where no light shines and all waters originate. All rivers flow into the chasm of Tartarus and flow out of it again."

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Post by thesilentone Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:20 am

Haze wrote:
Thinkforyourself wrote:[b]

Question: Do we know what are the Ancient's beliefs about the cause of the tides?

This might be a stupid question, but where does the ocean go when the tides retreat?  confused

The Ancient Greeks described the deepest circle of Hades as Tartarus: "the deeper part where no light shines and all waters originate. All rivers flow into the chasm of Tartarus and flow out of it again."

Sounds an awfully lot like at the bottom of Mount Meru.

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Post by Haze Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:57 pm

thesilentone wrote:
Haze wrote:
Thinkforyourself wrote:[b]

Question: Do we know what are the Ancient's beliefs about the cause of the tides?

This might be a stupid question, but where does the ocean go when the tides retreat?  confused

The Ancient Greeks described the deepest circle of Hades as Tartarus: "the deeper part where no light shines and all waters originate. All rivers flow into the chasm of Tartarus and flow out of it again."

Sounds an awfully lot like at the bottom of Mount Meru.

It's the same place. Where the roots of the World Tree are watered.

There are three cosmic zones. the Heavens, the Earth and the Underworld.

The Holy Mountain at the Earth's Center and the Tree of Life are interchangeable.

The images of the World-Tree and the Tree of Life are closely related and often merge. Sometimes they are replaced by the image of a cosmic mountain, which is also located at the center of the Universe and which likewise generates and sustains all life.

Yggdrasil dwells within the invisible heart of anything and everything and without it's support everything would disintegrate and explode into infinity. The mythological imagery of widely separated cultures expresses the same themes.

A creation myth of the Maoris tells of a world-tree, which was the first thing to be formed at the center of the still void Universe. It sprouted from an energy vortex, known as the cosmic navel. (North Pole.) From the myriad buds of the all-encompassing tree all creation emerged.

A similar myth comes from Persia where we find references to a 'Tree of all Seeds', which stood at the center of a magical garden known as Pairidaeza, the Persian paradise. This garden was associated with the Virgin Goddess Pairidaeza who represented the eternal regenerative womb from which all life proceeds. In her garden the 'Tree of all seeds' grew next to the Tree of Knowledge.

Similarly, in Mayan cosmology the World-Tree is a unifying symbol that represents the origin of all existence. The Cosmic Tree is commonly described as the source of a special divine substance, a sacred nectar of immortality and ambrosia of the Gods.

The ancient holy scriptures known as the 'Rig Vedas' (Indus Valley) refer to this mythical substance as 'Amrita' or 'Soma'. In Persia it was known as Haoma, while the Eddas describe it as 'golden apples stored in Valhalla.' I think this represents prana/chi.

The same image is repeated in other mythologies, in which the World Tree is often described as the place where disembodied souls dwell prior to their reincarnation. Underneath the roots of the tree that grows at the centre of the paradisiacal garden, flows the sacred river that carries the waters of life.

The quest of the mythological hero, who embarks on an adventure to search for the World Tree, or a sacred mountain at the center of Universe, is a metaphor for the quest of psychological realignment with one's own inner center and spiritual source.

The journey is usually beset with peril and impending danger for it is a quest of transformation that requires the sacrifice of the ego.

The tree, mountain and pillar represents the 'axis-mundi', the immovable central pole of the Universe around which all life revolves. In this cosmology, humans and Gods essentially share the same dimension, though on somewhat different levels.


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Post by AmericanInIndia Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:11 pm

In the Bangkok airport there is a huge mural of the demigods and demons churning the ocean. So the whole thing could be explained by that. The ocean being drawn inward is the gods pulling the rope and the ocean being churned back out is the demons pulling the rope, with Mount Meru at its center. This is a story from the Srimad Bhagavatam and I was shocked when I first saw that huge mural in the Bangkok airport.

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Post by csp Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:25 am

It doesn't appear to me a mural, but an actual statue - is this what you are referring to:

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Post by Billuk64 Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:36 pm

As a teenager I got into sea fishing with a couple of friends and we used to go to the local pier , a mile long it is , to fish on a regular basis. The pier pointed towards France so was open to tides only from the east of the English channel. During the tide run , as it is known , you cast into the sea using an 8 oz or 10 oz weight , with a baited line of course , as a minimum to try to get your bait to " hold" on the seabed so to speak. During the height of the tide run this was a very tricky business and took patience. It seemed as if the fish actually fed more during he tide run as well , usually " slack water " yielded very few fish.
When i got older in my 20`s a friend and I went out on a boat to the breakwater ( see a photo of Dover in Kent UK ) to fish and this huge structure , built before WW1 , runs parallel to the beach and is free standing at either end. We were shocked to find that out here , again about a mile offshore, the tidal run was not just from the east but from the west as well . So  the tides were running east to west and west to eat in the channel , this may seem obvious now but to us it was new. Another thing about these fishing trips was that you can buy tide tables , now online of course , and plan the best times to go bearing the tides in mind . So obviously somehow " they " can tell in advance when the high tide will be and how high it will be etc. This means of course that tides are as regular as clockwork , so I can see how "they" could quite easily and convincingly tie in the tides with the phases of the moon. To me thinking about it this is one of the deepest mysteries we are confronted with and if we can answer this we may get closer to the truth than ever.
All the Best , Bill.

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Post by FL@T-E@RTH Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:54 am

I think the tides are somehow tied in to electromagnetism and the Schumann Resonances
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances

Obviously a Wikipedia link is as good as hearsay, and most of mainstream science is half-truths and obfuscation
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Post by Yusuf N Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:10 pm

Tidal nodes

An amphidromic point or tidal node is a point of zero change of the amplitude or height harmonic constituent of the tide within an oceanic basin.  The tidal range (the difference between high tide and low tide) increases, but not uniformly, with distance from the amphidromic point.  Cotidal lines (lines connecting points experiencing high or low tide at the same time) can be plotted radiating from the amphidromic point. (...) Because tide waves do not travel with constant speed due to varying depth and land mass obstructions, the cotidal lines are not evenly spaced or consistently shaped.  The tide wave progresses around the amphidromic point once each tidal period.  At each point in the oceanic basin, water levels vary sinusoidally due to a combination of factors.  Corange lines (lines connecting points experiencing the same tidal range) can be plotted forming irregular circles concentric around the amphidromic point for the basin.  Think of the oceanic basin as a very large bowl of water.  As the water sloshes around, high on one side and low on the opposite side and then reversed, there is a point near the center of this symmetrical bowl where the water level is relatively stable – that is the amphidromic point.  An oceanic basin, though, is not symmetrical.  Therefore, the amphidromic point is seldom at the center of the basin.(...)The oceanic basin under the influence of a single rotating tide wave is referred to as an amphidromic system.

Excerpt taken from maritime professional (dot) com

I can't post the url here but go on YouTube there's a clip named ' What REALLY causes tides Hint it's NOT the Moon! FLAT EARTH Tidal nodes, Amphidromic points '

This guy says it all.

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Post by EugeneHKrabs Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:45 pm

So i'd say based upon the above that you're all correct

The Sun and Moon impact tides from above as they are too close to not to have an impact and their different light outputs affect nature in a different ways (mushrooms, farming still following the moons movement), temperature difference in our waters will move entire oceans, the salinity of the seas being the most important will have massive ionisation and electromagnetic responses impacted by the poles (unlike freshwater lakes which lie still) and on top the natural frequency the earth.

Except for the sun and moon, the rest is easily covered by mainstream science... taking gravity as a possible effect from bodies of different mass rather than a force acting on matter due to different mass.

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Post by Guest Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:00 pm

EugeneHKrabs wrote:So i'd say based upon the above that you're all correct

The Sun and Moon impact tides from above as they are too close to not to have an impact and their different light outputs affect nature in a different ways (mushrooms, farming still following the moons movement), temperature difference in our waters will move entire oceans, the salinity of the seas being the most important will have massive ionisation and electromagnetic responses impacted by the poles (unlike freshwater lakes which lie still) and on top the natural frequency the earth.

Except for the sun and moon, the rest is easily covered by mainstream science... taking gravity as a possible effect from bodies of different mass rather than a force acting on matter due to different mass.

Maybe look around a bit on the forum on the subject of gravity.

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Post by EugeneHKrabs Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:21 pm

Will do. I heard that from Mark Knight about gravity... I am by far no expert.

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Post by Guest Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:41 pm

EugeneHKrabs wrote:Will do. I heard that from Mark Knight about gravity... I am by far no expert.

Mark Knight... just mentally gather everything related and conveyed by him and delete it

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Post by Jack Aurora Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:40 am

I'm speculating on a big scale, but can surely say that tides can be explained when looking at the studies coming forth out of Cymatics. I'm a frequency freak and know that sound has a huge, major effect on water. All kinds of imperical factual scientific laws that are measurable. Literally speaking...from what I've learned from sound, I believe that earth is a speaker magnet, connected to a three band equaliser.
Earth is one of who knows how many speakers (someone doesn't want us to go look) build into a speaker box. For arguments sake, let's assume it's a cube with one earth speaker on each side. You now have 6 magnetic field sound generators in vector equilibrium with each other forming, or being powered by the 7th centre. Maybe both.

This whole magnetic structure is contained inside something. Let's call it a firmament.

Maybe the structure is a tetrahedron with 4 speakers
Maybe whatever it is...

What I'm saying is that the sound generated from THIS earth via the magnetic fields of the Sun moon stars, and the N a S poles, are the cause of the water tides.
Maybe it's not tidal at all. In Taoism the magnetic energy is moving, causing water to rise up and down as the waves pass the water, and creating the illusion that the water is moving in and out...

True observational science will solve this when we can explore N and S poles again as free beings... I'm pretty sure we've done this before, and we just can't remember...

Any thoughts on this???


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Post by Jack Aurora Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:56 am

It's not two... it's not one...
I am just a finger pointing at the moon.
Be like water. Always seek the low Level. And when confronted with obstacles on your way down..RISE above and seek the low level again.
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Post by Xander Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:00 pm

Is it not just as simple as the sun heating up the oceans/seas and therefore this energy results in convection currents which move the water - i.e. the tides? The sun is regular like the tides. This is probably the simplest explanation.

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