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Post by MaryMoon on Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:19 pm

I have noticed there is no astrology here yet What a Face

In interest of this neatly kept Virgo forum, I will try my Pisces hardest to make this thread helpful n useful.

If you have no idea how this astrology works I have some newb tips.

You can go to astro dot com or astrotheme dot com, start an account and add your birthday (with time because time sets the houses)
and then get a free natal chart. ( I use astro dot com for 15 + yrs only so dont ask me how to work astrotheme, I just know people use it Wink )

((if you dont have time then READ HERE):  add noon to the menu when it asks for your time.. and then use just the placements for sun,mercury,venus,mars,jup,saturn... because the moon mooves fast so it could be in a diff sign for you, but everything else is still useful in the chart list for placements.
You can will see a list of things to the left of the circular chart like sun,moon,etc.. and where they were ,in what degree.. then you can search them up on their own on the internet to see about yourself still .
Put it into google like this :
Sun in Pisces,
Mercury in Aquarius, Venus in aquarius, etc ))


If you do know the time...That natal chart (when made with time) is a map of where everything was above you over earth (fits really well onto an AE map or one similar)
The way the luminaries work together at certain times to influence over us has been documented for who knows how many years so anyone can look up your birthday and see what kind of influences you are working with.

If I had not gone most of my life seeing this play out before my eyes, I definitely would've given up on it by now, but it is pretty accurate. Mind blowing sometimes.
Kept me interested this long because there is always a new layer to learn.

So, on Astro dot com, there is an option to read about yourself for free once you have your birthday with time entered.
It is called astro click portrait.

You can go to *free horoscopes* off of the menu(Once you have bday with time entered), then click astroclick portrait.
It will generate a chart which you can click on. You can click all around on the diff symbols and it will tell you what those symbols mean to us , as astrologers, and how they influence you down here.

That is maybe the very beginning of how you see the influences working.^ Make your own chart. See that we can tell what you are like just by knowing your birthday. Seems like kind of a huge thing to hide from people,dont you think?

I have seen many people calling themselves astrologers who will sell you that same type of natal chart  with the same amount of details, as you get with that free astro click portrait. So its a great deal for free!

If you already know your own chart then #2 thing to do is maybe add all the people you know too so you can laugh at the accuracy of them as well. You can add 100 people on astro dot com account and 200 on astrotheme.

After you see how this works and if you give a shit,lol, You usually start getting into transits and seeing how the current weather is actually shaping every single thing you do...

By just watching around in my life ( even my facebook timeline ) and having hundreds of friends charts, I can clearly see how this plays out. A little mind blowing to me that people do not see or care that other people can see just what we are all like  Laughing .sometimes I can get really crabby pants over this!(moon square mars) because people are always arguing with other people and complaining about how they dont get along with others ,, and its because they are just being themselves. Laughing  but we dont get it.


Someone will be in a raging pissy mood at the same time someone else is in a fantastic place and I can see why by having their charts.
Sometimes I try to point it out to them, but it is the same as flat earth...
You may just sound like a looneytunes , depending on how open this person is to learning something new.
Maybe they have gone their whole life thinking astrology was a pseudoscience like NASA followers says it is(even though NASA collects geocentric astrology data at the JPL...)

You can get really in depth with this science and even see that certain aspects make medical problems, physical deformities, physical weakness, or strength. You can see how two people can hate everything about each other or how they can compliment each other(or a mix of both).

You can see how maybe this has been hidden from everyone for reasons like the medical stuff^
to keep people from knowing how to make children without hard medical aspects ?!!! ..grrrr!! Sad  WHAT ON EARTH THOUGH!? not just this but everything!!! The implications of hiding something this huge  is sinister.

Fertility cycles are shown in this science as well.
So if you have fertility problems it is likely because western doctors are the people you go to when you have troubles , not someone to show you how the lights are working on you.
The Dr.Jonas fertility method has been around for ages now and some people actually test it and it works! I have done it myself, told people when to get pregnant and even what gender the baby will be, and I have the same results as Dr. Jonas Razz about 98% accuracy (after testing 100 people myself only 2 genders were off)  with gender and the astro fertility cycle!
So even the GENDER of all of us could've been known with a great deal of accuracy by our moms and dads, if they only knew astrology..


If you have more than one person entered into your astro dot com account, you can also choose an option called *astro click partner*
and that will generate a chart showing how you and anyone else get along.
You can click all over that chart as well and see what the symbols and aspects mean.

If any of that interests you at all then I hope you start looking into it more ( and share what you are learning )
because,well,, it is lonely caring so much that people have been lied to...why doesnt anyone care?!  Razz see< just like flat earth!
And maybe you are better at sharing with people than I am , maybe some of you could help some more people get to know astrology again.


P/S/ If you know your sun and moon already, search into google because there are also great interpretations written for just sun and moon on there. I enjoy the ones from tao something.. Here I will find the link

Here is Erics, since you all know how he keeps this forum and how orderly he is Laughing  :

http://universal-tao-eproducts.com/mp/files/sun-moon_virgo-taurus.pdf  

and i will add a few people who i know are members here and some of you may see posting around..

here is linneys http://universal-tao-eproducts.com/mp/files/sun-moon_cancer-aries.pdf

here is elissas and also love whispers from here Wink they are both sagiitarius sun ,aquarius moon

http://universal-tao-eproducts.com/mp/files/sun-moon_sagittarius-aquarius.pdf

here is cole haley :
http://universal-tao-eproducts.com/mp/files/sun-moon_taurus-gemini.pdf

and here is mine http://universal-tao-eproducts.com/mp/files/sun-moon_pisces-scorpio.pdf



and also , I will add a chart of the moment for right now beside a tropical western astrology chart on an AE map, so you can see what i mean about it being a map to where everything was above you...calculated with lat and long ..

If you have any questions or need any help just let me know .. Happy exploring !





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Re: Tropical Western Astrology

Post by MaryMoon on Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:34 pm

so please also make a lil virgo note to yourself that this is not actually *off topic* at all Smile

This is all done with geocentric measurements of the stuff up in the sky and how we see it from different places down here , where ever we are.
So this method can be used to track the sun or any light up there ^ over places on earth.. the times things rise compared to when another thing rises can all be tracked, etc

They are made with the swiss ephemeris (which is partly made with NASA JPL data (which is geocentric measurements of the lights ^ so you can think about why they do that over at NASA)

Here is the page where you can see the current locations over earth the zodiac is at, and what aspects luminaries are making to other ones:

http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm

You can keep track of this as well, then test it to what you see outside everyday..( I have been doing it for at least a year and a half now with AE map)

If you want to do this the easiest way I have found if you are kind of new,, Is to make that account at astro dot com like I say here ^

Then go to astro home page, click *free horoscopes* then click  *extended chart selection* and change the reference place to where you currently are on earth.

Then save that place and go back to homepage.
Scroll down and to the right near bottom it will say *current planets*

(if you are on a phone it is in a menu there somewhere instead under free horoscopes it says current planets)

You can then see under the chart picture of the circle, It says CHART OF MOMENT
so click there and it will show you a chart of the moment from your location on earth now..(because you changed ref place to your current lat and long)

Then you can see (if you learn the basic symbols) where everything is there and compare it to outside where you live.
You will see they have already calculated into this science when and where everything will rise , based on GEOCENTRIC MEASUREMENTS Razz

All I did was go a step further and add it to a picture of the AE projection and it works pretty well on that ^To see where things are for me, and to ask friends I have around earth and they all see same things.

So thats why I back AE( to a certain degree) and use it to show the astrology charts on..
Because OMG ^ lol , just go test it out, you will see it works!

The chart I made first post in this thread^ That was for almost 8 am my time ( just at sunrise for 63west 44 north)
and now I will add a chart so you can see what I mean.. This is after sunrise a bit so see, the sun in this chart is moving around like a clock , and it is up past my eastern horizon now

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Re: Tropical Western Astrology

Post by MaryMoon on Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:19 pm

one more b4 i hit the rd for today and then i will stop i swear to venus aries frig..

((got to get to work hacking some things with 200 proofs around the city!

Currently its closer to this *time*

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Post by MaryMoon on Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:30 pm

hi again..sunrise by the phillipines now(611am) ,moonrise cairo egypt 1217am
(i have 620pm from halifax ns
Moon is in virgo but will move to libra soon (You can search up *when the moon is in virgo to see what the last few days were like with the moon and * when moon is in libra to see what the next few days will be- and always check homepage of astro dot com to see where moon currently is)

I love finding hilarious things like this quote here ( because all astrology we use for us on earth here is geocentric not heliocentric so...( but try telling that to the astrologers using it though.)

They are making money off it because of course its accurate, so if they do a good job they will get repeat customers ..for doing FLAT EARTH ASTROLOGY!
This whole time Laughing Laughing Smile



So to newbs (in mainstream who still think earth is a ball) who are trying to figure out how to cast the natal chart, they need to first learn earth is flat..

( but dont think too hard now, they use the language, and the placements of geocentric measurements ^ in sky to teach you in astrology university even!!!
But say Earth is still a globe..


actual quote from this page Laughing
"* Remember, despite the language used, the Sun is not moving, the Earth is.
https://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/understand-natal-charts-terms.html
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Re: Tropical Western Astrology

Post by MaryMoon on Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:53 pm

Regarding the time of sun light hours in argentina (and other places)

I have noticed this already, the differences in amounts of sunlight all over earth.
Especially argentina because for one,  as SOON as I found FE information a few friends on FB starting mentioning it to me (as debunking FE of course lol)
so I started paying more attn to the map/clock (using an AE projection which of COURSE i dontknow is the map but its already here so why not try it out right?)

I live at what they call 63west,44north
(by nova scotia or *Sipekne'Katik )

If you know how to read the lat & long on an AE map projection already, you know i am towards the center more on that map from argentina.. ushuaia is 68west, 54.8south

Everyday I do the charts so I see that now the sun rises in western sahara(12w, 24north) around the same time it rises in paraiba(36west, 7 south) and it rises in argentina hours before all of us (when it is winter here.
Same for last year when I did the charts...


You can do chart of the moment for anywhere on earth and see what they see in the sky remember...Then check it to time and date and see that its correct by that site.. (and also you can ask friends to check if they live there)

So see, this morning at 532 my time (632 ushuaia) ( 932 UT) sun was already risen for them over argentina, but not risen for me..
It was risen same time for paraiba almost that it was for western sahara..
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/brazil/joao-pessoa
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/western-sahara/el-aaiun



I dont know why or how or what this means(only have some ideas).
BUT I know I see lots of other places that fit fine when I follow the map around like a clock with the astro.(some are already in this thread^ )
Way more places fit then dont fit.
(but i havent done the whole map for every day of the year or anything ..yet Wink

Thats why I use this map still.. because if we use one that is made already ,then made some changes as needed it would be alot better idea then throwing it out and trying to make random weird square earth pacman models.
PLUS the map that I use should fit with the science that i practice (so for example the angles of trop.western astro fit on a 360 circular map remember) (and why?)

Tropical Western Astrology is a really old science so astrologers probably had something to do with making this map in the first place hmmm?

and when I say I find places that fit i mean : sun and moon are where they should be based on the astro charts.
and or by time and date dot com
and or by me & people i know and ask to look in the sky and see what the chart says they will see.
(already some of them i posted in this thread ^ like sunrise phillipines moonrise cairo..

pls REMEMBER the charts are a SKYMAP of above you ,made with lat and long to your location on earth. Made with geocentric measurements of the luminaries.
(not just for predicting when you will meet someone or get a good job- you wont, thats my prediction, cuz you look nuts to everyone else, so you might as well get to work here! Wink )

I havent made videos or posts saying anything about this sunlight hours stuff yet really, because look what happens when you share some of this. Also because: errr, Do i have to?

I just hope some other people must be testing with this by now?
I am a mom you know, so I dont have more of the undisturbed& dedicated time to put into this that some other folks might have. And I dont have formal education to be able to write it well or present it as well as some others do.

I have got live stream figured out now(kinda beginner level), but I just didnt do it yet because uhh, If I dont have someone to talk to it might be me just wandering off topics like where there are not paths in the woods.
I am better at wandering off alone & figuring things out than I am at sharing them.
So uhm, cheers to me talking myself into coming out more...
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Post by MaryMoon on Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:02 pm

gutenmorgan Smile
9 am for me by 63west,44north ( halifax ns)
sunrise is toronto, eh
moonrise by the haida gwaii (sometimes called queen charlotte islands)

IS ALOT OF SCORPIO in the airrrr... Intense,intuitive..like an inner spiral.
who knows where it will go.

Well i am keeping busy by painting lots of signs for 200 proofs to leave around Smile



https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/@6115068
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/canada/toronto
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Post by CSI Yesterday at 3:19 pm

Hello MaryMoon,

Thanks for posting this info.
What is your opinion on Astro*Carto*Graphy ?
I had my chart done in 1978 and used it try try to figure out where to move, attempting to select for more auspicious possibilities.

My spouse had one done in 1997 and we both had an analysis by Robert Currey in 2007.

We're trying to figure out where to move now, but I've always wondered how accurate this charting is.

Can you give some thoughts on this?

Cheers!
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Post by MaryMoon Yesterday at 4:08 pm

Hi CSI .thanks for comment.
If you can picture your natal chart on a map similar to AE then you could see easily the places where the 12 signs were over / and that is what that cartography is based off of.


But on their sites ^ They use some confusing map instead of a way easier map like AE or one similar. ( you can see their map for cartography they use on astro dot com here, it even shows angles of a circular curve with the luminaries which would fit better on circular map lol ) see that here :


BUT here is the thing, The math they use to do charts is obviously based on geocentric measurements.
You would need to chose heliocentric if you want that option and the default is always set to geocentric because all astrology for us on earth is geocentric .

Helio astro is like an experiment gone wrong that people never picked up on because its stupid and couldnt be proven or used for anything. But geocentric is the accurate one that wows people.
more proof for flat earth lol)



You can go to a site like astro.com and make account, add your own chart and then on the homepage click * free horoscopes* and then click * astroclick travel on the bottom left of that page.
It will ask you to choose from a menu of people ( you can add 100 people so all your family you can check for as well )

Then you can look at some things on there for free.
Its not very in depth though and it would be better to go over all that stuff with an astrologer and both of your charts and things.


Wish all astrologers would hurry up and get the circular map thing because its way easier for new people to get.
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