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Post by tenn on Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:26 pm

I was no fanatic believer in a globe.  I just simply believed it and accepted it as a "known" fact.

From birth.  Why not?  This was the de facto status quo.  Everywhere I went, everything I saw around me -- of which was created and promoted by man -- told me this.  I had a globe as a child.  Several of them.  I loved them.  The way they were tilted.  The way they rotated.  Some of them were "bumpy" where the mountain ranges were.  I learned in school the earth was a globe.  The very vocabulary I spoke promoted a globe earth.  I watched in movies where the earth was a globe in space, that there was "space".  I went to Disneyworld and Epcot.  The globe, space, universe -- all front and center.  I learned that uneducated and ignorant fools -- bless their hearts -- had believed that the earth was flat, and that we were way past that now, in our age of enlightenment.

The model of the "universe" in my head was of a spinning globe revolving around a sun which in turn revolved around the center of a galaxy which in turn probably revolved around something else.  This model was as concrete as the ground I walked on.

Until one day I stumbled upon a youtube video (oh, the dangers of unfiltered and unbanned youtube!) saying the earth was flat.

Funny, I thought.  Why do people have to be so crazy?

But the idea wouldn't let go of me.  I went back later and watched the video.  It was an Eric Dubay composition.  It was well done.  It was not angry.  It was not combative.  It was not "holier than thou".  It simply laid out the facts -- as he saw them, and as I've since come to know for myself.  It made sense.  It made my own senses and "common sense" make sense.

I ordered his book (200 proofs) and read it cover to cover.  And it made sense.  It was right.  And I knew it.

And suddenly everything that I had taken for granted I now began taking with a grain of salt.  Questions I didn't even know I had began to surface.  Why does smoke go straight up, or in any direction independent of spin direction?  Why does my pond not have tides?  Why is there atmosphere?  What could possibly be holding air against a globe that is spinning and revolving at such incredible speeds inside of a vacuum, while at the same time allowing a butterfly not to be pinned to the earth?  Some would leak, right?  All of it would.  But none of it does.  There's no "whooshing" sound as it disappears.  There is no "breeze" and it goes and is replaced by an endless supply.  And I can't feel that I'm spinning and hurtling through space.  The stars look the same year after year.  We've not hurtled past any of them, or hurtled anywhere where they would now look different.

Everything that had made sense before now made no sense.  My concrete model collapsed on itself, as it had no true foundation.  I had been brainwashed.  And not accidentally or inadvertently -- although I must pardon many of those who were involved, such as teachers or parents, as they themselves also did not know better -- but it was deliberate, driven by a few that I am sure -- 100% sure -- knew they were lying.

And I began to see the "conspiracy".  I began to see that there was a deliberate effort to promote the idea of a globe (and other lies).  I started to spot these -- some of the having been pointed out, and some I could see on my own.  They were everywhere.  I watched a series that after season one was bought by Netflix.  Episode one of the new season, lo and behold a globe carefully placed front and center on the existing set where it hadn't been before.  That is deliberate.  Unnecessary for the show, but clearly deliberate.  It has now become a sick game for me to "spot the globe" in every show I watch.  I call those who promote the idea of a globe the "globe priesthood".  I can only imagine that to be "one of the gang" one has to somehow make an oath to promote in any way possible the globe lie.

And I'm a fanatic for believing the flat earth?

I don't promote it any way.  I rarely if ever even talk about it (or post like this).  But the globe priesthood is bent out of shape promoting that we live on a globe.  They can't even make a movie of TV show without subtly -- or even not so subtly -- sticking a globe in your face.  That's fanaticism.

Even if these people believe it is true (that we live on a globe) -- and I can't fault them for doing so if that is their sincere belief, knowing that I also had believed it wholeheartedly even though I really had no factual basis for doing so -- why ram it down my throat?  Why care so much?  Is it so important that I don't think for myself that you have to stick that globe everywhere?  Sneak it into everything?  Do you not ask yourself, why am I doing this?  Why are they asking me to do this?  Who are they that are asking me to do this?

Why go to so much trouble to denounce as fanatical and ignorant someone who just happens to believe the earth is flat?  Why go to such lengths, attack so vehemently, remove videos, block content, defame, slander?  Aren't there more important -- or, just simply, important -- issues?  It's like attacking me because I like the color green.  So what?  Why does that bother you?  Why defame me?

I try to be respectful of everyone's beliefs, even if I disagree.  They believe for a reason.  I even respect those who believe we live on a globe.  Of course I do.  They have their reasons, as did I.  I don't think they are stupid.  I just think they are -- as I had been -- misinformed.  From birth.  It's a monstrously huge lie.

But I don't attack them.  So why attack me?  Why shut down video sources (not mine, as I have none, but those of others), so vehemently claiming it is hate speech?  Can you not see how hypocritical you are being?  Can you not see how fanatical you have become?  Can you not just open the mind a tiny bit and investigate in an objective, truly scientific manner, the claims?

To those who are skeptical, I say simply this.  Get Eric's book and read it.  Seriously.  If after reading it you still don't believe, my hope is that at the very least you will understand that those who believe the earth is flat have good reasons to do so.  And you will never feel like attacking a believer again.  But my greater hope of course would be that you see what is right in front of us, and that all the reasons we ever believed the earth was a globe have no basis in reality.  You will see what I have come to see as truth, that we really do live on a flat plane earth.


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Re: Welcome To IFERS

Post by Schpankme on Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:51 pm

tenn wrote:
I was no fanatic believer in a globe.  
I just simply believed it and accepted it as a "known" fact.

I learned in school the earth was a globe.  
The very vocabulary I spoke promoted a globe earth.  
I watched in movies where the earth was a globe in space, that was was "space".

What should also peek your attention is being told that the religious fanatics promote "flat Earth", and modern science proves the globe Earth.  The fact is, it is the religious fanatics that promote globe Earth.

Jesuit (see crypto Jew)

1572
Jesuit Christopher Clavius recommends reforming the calendar based on Copernican Heliocentricism.

1582
Heliocentricism as invented by Copernicus is used by Pope Gregory XIII to reform the calendar.
  Institutes Gregorian calendar in March, 1582.

You've been taught that it was the Greeks, more than two thousand years ago, who invented Heliocentricism; this flies in the face of reality.

1601
Telescope invented


1609
Johannes Kepler published his Heliocentric "laws of planetary motion", based on the writings of Tycho Brahe.
  Tycho Brahe (1546-1601) died prior to the invention of the Telescope.

Here we can see, without the Telescope and without knowledge or verification of Spaceballs, mathematics are applied to the newly invented Planets.

1610
Galileo Galilei, claims to see Spaceballs orbiting about one another; "planetary motion."
  Galileo is a beneficiary of the Jesuit payroll.

Have you been taught that Galileo was persecuted by "the Inquisition and forced to say he was wrong; that the Earth did not revolve around the sun?"
Nothing could be further from the Truth.

1611
Jesuit Christopher Clavius, confirms Galileo’s observations of "planetary motion."
  Jesuits claim that Lights they observe through their Telescopes are in fact Spaceballs that orbit about one another.
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I'm being forced to post this here, as it seems you blocked the private msg

Post by Joey_3BM-FM on Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:49 pm

Eric, I considered you a good & trustworthy person, but not anymore.

Don't bother to reply.

FYI, I did nothing wrong.

I find it rude & inconsiderate of what you have done.
Perhaps you are jealous because Victor is spreading light already & he has been doing it way before your flat earth expose.
He also deserves some credit.

Well FYI, there are still many people who believe the earth to be a globe, but they believe in an afterlife anyway & also they know that they are accountable for what they do.
Also there are those who had an NDE.

Anyhow, if you think i will fall for your games, it won't work.
I would have deleted the account days ago, but there's no delete button, I can't find one anywhere.

Yes, I did picture you as an absolutely open, honest & genuine person, but not anymore.

What I find most fishy of you, is your supposed breakup with your past girlfriend, which i did find strange & unusual.
Normally with your experience & background, one would normally get closer in life, its less likely to be the opposite.

Anyhow, this confirm that not even you are to be completely trusted.

I'd appreciate it, if you kindly delete my account, if not then BUGGER you.

~Joey
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Post by Admin on Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:49 pm

This guy Joey has been sending me private messages and asking me a bunch of questions about "Satan, Lucifer, Archons, Fallen Angels" etc.  I answered him, which prompted him to send 3 or 4 more messages with more random questions which I didn't respond to as I have hundreds of people messaging me daily and I cannot respond to everyone.  Since I didn't respond he decided that was proof of me being some untrustworthy shill as you can see in his message here.  He's so needy for another response from me that he's now posting his private message in public and demanding to be banned from the forum if I won't respond to all his random questions about the afterlife and some guy he likes called Victor Zammit.  Your behavior is suspicious Joey, not mine.  Please respond here in public if you'd still like to be banned and I'd be happy to oblige.
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Re: Welcome To IFERS

Post by Schpankme on Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:32 pm

Admin wrote:
Your behavior is suspicious Joey

Looks like "Joey" copied me on the same comments he sent to you; unfortunately, while "Joey" was busy spamming forum members with "Private Messages" he had his "receive private messages" turned off.

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Re: Welcome To IFERS

Post by Real World on Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:06 pm

Joey look like another type of spamming troll, who has strategy to bring something in at the beginning, to built some trust, and then divide from inside like some crazy conspiracy guy.

I try to do my part of spreading awareness for polish speaking audience and i see how this task is time killing, i only can imagine how many messages daily Eric is getting with his kind of activity. Thats one of the reason why i try to contact Eric or similar kind of perosns, only with most important things, rest is for us to figur it out if we use logic and critical thinking.
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Re: Welcome To IFERS

Post by observer on Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:21 am

Joey_3BM-FM wrote:
I find it rude & inconsiderate that you dont want to have a chat with me in private, wäää!
I like Victor more than you!

Anyhow, if you think i will fall for your games, it won't work. I know youre just playing hard to get.

Yes, I did picture you in my dreams.

But after looking at you and youre girlfriend, i realized that your not what im looking for in a relationship.

Anyhow, this confirm that no men are to be completely trusted.

~Joey

did i get that right?

Joey also decided in his hissyfit to take out his revenge on all the ifers members and readers by deleting all his comments, why dont you want me to learn joey?

What i find most fishy about you is that you for no reason whatsoever want to talk about erics relationship, thats very strange and unusual for a normal person to do. Seems to be a trend among shills tho.

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Re: Welcome To IFERS

Post by Dovla on Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:52 pm

So glad to be part of flat truth awakening. Thank you Eric for changing my life by destroying the illusion and confusion in my mind. I have learned more in the past year than I have in last 40. Cant express how thankful and grateful I am for you and all the truth seekers at work...
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Re: Welcome To IFERS

Post by Realearth on Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:46 pm

Dovla wrote:So glad to be part of flat truth awakening. Thank you Eric for changing my life by destroying the illusion and confusion in my mind. I have learned more in the past year than I have in last 40. Cant express how thankful and grateful I am for you and all the truth seekers at work...

Welcome, very nice to have you join IFERS
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Post by Nimrod Son of Cush on Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:08 am

Thank you Eric Dubay. Your videos and resources have been extremely valuable in my awakening. I have always been into conspiracy theories, and I am grateful to have stumbled upon flat Earth cosmology. This is one of the most important truths, it is honestly mind blowing.

When I get a camera, I would like to start giving back to the community. I have seen a lot of interesting things here in Africa.

Regards,
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Post by Dovla on Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:52 pm

Nimrod, check out some stars and moon videos, taken with Nikon p1000. I am not a pro but you will enjoy what you see https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6OhSOi1xjSmocZ2-mhKpxg?view_as=subscriber
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Thanks for having me!

Post by Two tone Cadillac on Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:06 am

I'm so happy to be here. There cannot be a better place on earth to stand! I wish all of you the best, I hope some of you know me already from other forums! To Eric, a most personal thank you! I'm sorry It took me so long to arrive here. I'm always happy to help, say the word, I'll be there! Thanks you guys!

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Post by Pastor David on Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:21 pm

Hi there!

There is no foum for self-introduction, right?

Anyway, I came across this site after my daughter my a referate for her school mocking about the "flat earth theory". I studies astrophysics 25 years ago and have been a believer of the ball-earth-hoax.

No one of my family is believing the FE, including my daughter. Thus I tried to understand the sitiuation, It is without importance for the normal people to read discussions about sea-captains and scientists of former times. Picture from where ever might be fabricated, so no information from the internet/books can convince anyone.

The only things that can convince the "individual scientist" is easy and understandable manuals to "find-out-yourself" - own obersvations and calculations.

For me and my children it is not so complicated: we can look from our balcony on the ocean.
We can see Teneriffe on the left, being about 90 km far away. And Funerteventura on the right, about 100 km away. Before our eyes, there are at least 200km horizon.
Perfectly straight.

Easy Pythagoras shows that with a curvated earth, we could not see Fuerteventura (850m hightest mountain) and only the high mountain of teneriffe. But we can see everything and looking from near the ocean-line or high up the vulcano we live on does not make any difference on how far we can see.

For those with chem-trails (verry very seldomly here above the Atlantic ocean-isle, but usual in middle-Europe we have been living before) on their sky:
There you have the proove for flat earth directly sprayed to the sky: chemtrails mean: "we can poisen you as we like and you are stil to stupid to understand that we have been fooling you for centuries!" Chemtrails are like beams. Straight.

What I believed before, why my eyes cannot see any curvature - and what my father-in-law desperately repeats is that the earth is SO BIG, that one CANNOT see such "small" curvature.

I have estimated that the earth would have to have at least about 10 x the diameter for the curvature to not be visible. 400 000km scope, 11,000 mph rotation speed on the surface.. hahaha.

To my understanding, people need to get instructions hot to THEMSELFS can prove the FE and NOT BELIEVE. Not believe you, not believe me, not believe the school-books, but can, by their own observation and easy calculation prove themselfs and for themselfs.

I'm lucky, I can see an incredible huge horizon over the atlantic ocean. Perfectly straight. I can see islands I should not see if the earth was a ball.

Those living on the continent and getting sprayed like bugs can see the (chem- or whetever they believe it is) trails in the air being completely STRAIGHT.

I am looking to a software that would be able to take a picture of horizon or trail and "bend" it to show how it WOULD have to look like when the earth would be the ball they are telling us it is.

We are used to not believe our eyes and believe "our scientists instead".

So, this thread shall be for personal observations, I will make pictures and get a telescope to check what exactly I can see from Teneriffe and will post it.

I want to motivate others to make their own observations, and POST them here. Observations others can make as well and all can understand, to not need to BELIEVE but be able to SEE.

Best wishes
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Re: Welcome To IFERS

Post by Realearth on Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:46 pm

Pastor David wrote:Hi there!

I want to motivate others to make their own observations, and POST them here. Observations others can make as well and all can understand, to not need to BELIEVE but be able to SEE.

Best wishes
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Welcome, very nice to have you join IFERS
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Post by Pastor David on Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:41 pm

Today, I made some pictures. Unfortunately, I was a little late concerning Teneriffe, when I came neared to the ocean, the air was already foggy and Teneriffe not well visible anymore.

I made some pictures of "La Isleta", the peninsula at Las Palmas.
I used a tele-objective and a normal objective and made pictures from about 30m above ocean to about 3 Meters above the waves... just as close it was possible without wetting the camera.

The pictures are full size, so very big (around 10MB each picture), but I did not want to lower their quality or change anything, so I will upload just a few.


I'm at the black/red box, Teneriffe is about 70-80 km (sorry, I think in km, not miles...;-)



I tried to drive closer to the coastline, but until I was there, the clouds were already there...



And a last picture showing the highest mountain of Teneriffe, I cannot upload... (number of simlutaneous pictures exceeded). I try another post...
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Post by Pastor David on Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:52 pm

So, my last picture of Teneriffe, showing the the peak of Teide, at 3,718 metres (12,198 feet) above sea level.
I fotographed it the way that it looks same high as the Pico de Galdar (434m).
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Post by Pastor David on Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:02 pm

Now I will post some pictures of La Isleta that are taken from about 8km distance from different altitudes, down to about 3m above the see level, waves spashing up to me already.

One can see that the horizon is NEVER before the island and one can see the breaking waves on the other side!
I photographed a ship and sailboat as well in about the same distance.


Shows where I was standing, looking to La Isleta.
Another overview-picture:


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Post by Pastor David on Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:31 pm

I started quite "high up " at about 30m over sea-level:
The horizon is clearly behind La Isleta:


One can see the surf on the other side:


The horizon for the curvated earth would be about 20km far.
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Post by Pastor David on Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:42 pm

A ship:


Las Palmas harbour:

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Post by Pastor David on Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:58 pm

(On my preview the right side of the pictures is missing? I will download and check one after posting it...)

Now I descended as far down as possible without getting wet:


The horizon of ball-earth should be on the same line as the front (vieable) coast of La Isleta. Left side it goes back and should "dive" into the ocean.
even if it does not look really clear, to me it's just the perspective...
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Post by Pastor David on Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:09 pm

One can see that the coastline has some "size" and does not look like the horizon of view.


Here is a picture of a sailboat, sitting on the horizon, photographed from the same altitue of about 5m above see level.


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Post by Pastor David on Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:23 pm

And the ship again.



Well, the pictures are not really  clear if we have no way to "virtually modell" the scene and check how it looked with a ball-earth and a flat earth.

La Isleta is a little bit to close for the fact that I could not come closer to sea level.
I need to find a sand-coastline to make photos closer over the sea and then the curvature would have to show up.

The pictures of today are first tests. To me it looks like pure perspective, but it will not convince a ball-earther...;-)

This morning the horizon was clear and huge, maybe 160° of my sight and totally flat, the bending down would have to be visible if it's (approx) 1000m for 100 km of distance.
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Post by Samar527 on Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:43 pm

Hello everyone,  
I am Samarjeet from India. I have been a member of IFERS since last year and this will be my first post. Till now I have enjoyed reading many topics discussed here and really appreciate the fact that there are people here like me, who view the world differently, trust their instincts and most importantly I see good people here who would not hesitate to stand up and fight for the truth if required.
In our history books we were told that '6 million' number and 'atrocities' of Hitler. But whenever I watched a world war 2 documentary, I could clearly see the genuine happiness on the faces of the Germans (though the narrator of the documentary would almost always be biased to the Allies). I also learnt from an 'amazing facts' page that Hitler was a vegetarian and banned human zoos. Now, I felt a strong sense of something being fishy there and then. How can such a man be the devil the world makes him ? I just randomly typed out "the truth about Hitler" on Google and thankfully back then, the Google Results weren't as biased and controlled. I came upon "The Greatest Story Never Told" and that changed my view of the world ever since. It was a true red pill moment for me.I felt an unexplainable sadness and anger at the same time and resolved I would try and do something about this even though (((they))) seem too strong at the moment.
Soon after this while exploring other conspiracies, I also came to know about Flat Earth (unfortunately I went to that shit Flat Earth Society in the beginning). But luckily I kept exploring for better sources and did come upon Eric's website. I found a newfound love and respect for the ancient Vedic teachings which my grandparents used to mention but I being the 'modern' guy then would laugh off and ignore. I have apologised to them for being ignorant and have tried to learn more from them ever since.
These 2 events (Finding out about Hitler and Flat Earth) have really shaped my life and my views. Unfortunately (or actually fortunately) I became a social outcast (with only a few friends who would at least listen to what I say about these topics). I guess I am better off without those materialistic friends of mine. Yes, you heard that right, India, despite being one of the oldest cultures is rapidly losing its youth to the Western(actually only Jewish) materialism, devoid of spiritualism. They find it cool I guess. But it does not matter, I see good, just, spiritual people here and I hope to get along well with them.
Thanks for accepting me as a member.
Peace

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I just awoke my first round earther :)

Post by james_uk on Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:01 pm

I just converted my friend who up until now was a round earther.
who couple of months ago kept asking me thing's like, 'Come on man your not really telling you think the earth is flat' ......ect
I gave him a copy of 200 proofs and told him watch it with an open mind, then we will talk about it again.

well he just called me and says 'OK...the earth is flat'
noiw he wwants more info so i will give more docs

so nice one Eric....Smile

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