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Post by Dactylion on Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:52 am

The past few days we've been seeing skies and clouds appear like this throughout New Zealand;





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Post by Schpankme on Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:10 am

Dactylion wrote:
The past few days
we've been seeing clouds appear
throughout most of NZ

"Altocumulus clouds are composed primarily of water droplets and are located between 6,500 and 20,000 feet (2,000 to 6,000 meters) above the ground."

"Altocumulus clouds at Hawea, New Zealand"



Based on your NZ weather report, it looks like your getting rain on Monday as the front moves through your area; expect cooler temperature.  

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Re: Chemtrails, Geo-engineering And HAARP

Post by Dactylion on Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:13 am

Schpankme wrote:
Dactylion wrote:
The past few days
we've been seeing clouds appear
throughout most of NZ

"Altocumulus clouds are composed primarily of water droplets and are located between 6,500 and 20,000 feet (2,000 to 6,000 meters) above the ground."

"Altocumulus clouds at Hawea, New Zealand"
This is a new classification of cloud, along with several others, in efforts to normalise the results of geo-engineering.

We never had this cloud type in our country prior to 2007, and if we did, by all means post it.

I've save you some time though; I've looked through hundreds of photos of skies throughout the past few decades within NZ (dated before 2007), and none of them feature anything of the sort of cloud formations and skies we see today. Nor were there any chemtrails, or anyone reporting them, yet aviation and planes have been in our skies for the past 100 years.
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Post by Schpankme on Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:44 am

Dactylion wrote:
"Altocumulus clouds are composed primarily of water droplets, located between 6,500 and 20,000 feet (2,000 to 6,000 meters) above the ground."

This is a new classification of cloud, along with several others, in efforts to normalise the results of geo-engineering.

We never had this cloud type in our country prior to 2007
if we did, by all means post it.

Altocumulus, Renou 1870
(Bulletin de l’Observatoire de Montsouris, Paris, 1870)
 
Hildebrandsson 1889
(Rapport sur la classification des nuages, etc., see Appendix 2)


Clearly, Alto-CUMULUS were identifiable by name and documented by 1870.  

Let me point out the glaring flaws in your attempt to promote Chem-Trails:

1) Claiming the weather and rain, which you should expect by Monday, was not identified by the Alto-cumulus proceeding the event.
2) Claiming that Alto-cumulus clouds are a cover for "Geo-engineering".
3) Creating a Straw-man by claiming that Alto-cumulus never existed before 2007 ("new classification of cloud").
4) Failure to do your due-diligence before promoting this nonsense in this Topic
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Post by Dactylion on Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:41 am

Schpankme wrote:Altocumulus, Renou 1870
(Bulletin de l’Observatoire de Montsouris, Paris, 1870)
 
Hildebrandsson 1889
(Rapport sur la classification des nuages, etc., see Appendix 2)


Clearly, Alto-CUMULUS were identifiable by name and documented by 1870.  
My initial wording wasn't clear and wasn't to dismiss the identification / term "alto-cumulus", only the application of it to the cloud formation we see today.

The website doesn't list the description, photos, or drawings provided of what they naturally look like.


Schpankme wrote:Let me point out the glaring flaws in your attempt to promote Chem-Trails:
This isn't a promotion. It is based on observation and a grave concern to a massive and negative change to our environment.

Granted if I had based my reasoning purely on memory, it could be argued that my stance is subjective.

Hence why Ive been taking the time to look through old photos, and make comparisons.

And despite looking through hundreds of photos, I haven't spotted a single sky dated prior to 2007 in New Zealand, that shows alto-cumulus cloud in the form that it does in the sky today.

Yet as it is a natural phenomenon occurring before rain on a regular basis, there should be dozens of photos revealing them.

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Post by Schpankme on Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:04 am

Dactylion wrote:
Alto-CUMULUS were identifiable by name and documented by 1870

natural phenomenon
occurring before rain
there should be dozens of photos revealing them

Now, your straw-man grows, in that you require "dozens of photos" showing these clouds; and my guess is, if my time is wasted providing these photos, you will then demand them specific for New Zealand and your local.

I gave you the answer CUMULUS, but as can be seen your agenda here is to promote fake Chem-Trails. The Cumulus cloud can easily be identified by everyone and everyplace where it rains.  As for the Alto-Cumulus, this cloud is probably created by pushing together of small cumulus clouds (as seen in the pictures provided); these are most likely formed due to the CUMULUS trying to form in-front of a mountain range where the wind shears them off and then packs them tightly (as shown).


Altocumulus clouds are one of the most diverse cloud types and have many different varieties:
   
Altocumulus stratiformis - The most common type of Altocumulus, looking like flat-bottomed puffy clouds packed tightly together but separated by small rivers of sky. These can sometimes extend over the whole sky but are more common in smaller patches.

Altocumulus lenticularis - One of the most spectacular cloud types, altocumulus lenticularis (also known as Lenticular clouds) are lens-shaped clouds that form over hilly areas. Sometimes referred to as 'spaceship clouds' they often resemble the shape of a UFO.
   
Altocumulus castellanus - An indicator of instability, Altocumulus castellanus towers can lead to the formation of cumulonimbus thunderstorms. These are more puffy looking and are taller than they are wide, making them stand out from other altocumulus varieties.
   
Altocumulus floccus - Often spotted alongside altocumulus castellanus, altocumulus floccus are made up of slightly smaller, more ragged cloudlets. These are often found with Virga clouds hanging below.
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Post by Dactylion on Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:39 am

Schpankme wrote:Now, your straw-man grows, in that you require "dozens of photos" showing these clouds;
You're making the counter-argument that the patterned cloud formations like the ones in these photos are called alto-cumulus and a natural phenomenon.

It's more than reasonable to expect evidence to back up your counter-argument in order to dismiss mine; that these patterned cloud formations lack evidence of existing before chemtrailing began based on hundreds of photos spanning over decades, despite them now being a common sighting today.
 
 
Schpankme wrote:and my guess is, if my time is wasted providing these photos, you will then demand them specific for New Zealand and your local.
I encourage you to find evidence of patterned clouds observed on a regular basis before the time of known chemtrails in any country.


Schpankme wrote:The Cumulus cloud can easily be identified by everyone and everyplace where it rains.  As for the Alto-Cumulus, this cloud is probably created by pushing together of small cumulus clouds (as seen in the pictures provided); these are most likely formed due to the CUMULUS trying to form in-front of a mountain range where the wind shears them off and then packs them tightly (as shown).
Im not in question over the existence of different cloud formations, only their form, and whether or not they are naturally formed or man-made.

Natural cloud formations are irregular by nature, yet we now see entire skies blanketed with cloud in repeating patterns and shapes that didn't exist prior to when chemtrails began. If patterned cloud formations was a natural phenomenon, there would be evidence of this surfacing in photos and film throughout history, and wouldn't come into question.


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Re: Chemtrails, Geo-engineering And HAARP

Post by Schpankme on Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:06 am

Dactylion wrote:
Natural cloud formations are irregular by nature

You've been given the answer, you've been shown a supporting photo, and yet you still claim that Chemicals made these puffy Clouds (cumulus), that proceed the weather, which was forecast for NZ by Monday.

Why do you come here, to spray Chemicals, above the skies of New Zealand?
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