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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:03 pm

Posted by lizardking on 08/06/2015
9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby

In an exclusive Killtown interview, Ground Zero EMT Patricia Ondrovic talks about her harrowing day at the WTC on 9/11. Within minutes after the South Tower collapses, she witnessed the WTC 5 blowing up, cars exploding, and explosions inside the lobby of the WTC 6, all the while narrowly escaping with her own life.

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Arriving at the Scene

Killtown: Were you one of the Ground Zero rescuers on 9/11?

Patricia Ondrovic: Yes.

KT: What was your position and who did you work for?

PO: I was an emergency medical technician [EMT] with the Fire Department of New York.

KT: How did your day start off on Sept. 11 and when did you get called to the scene at the WTC?

PO: It started off like any other. I had dropped a patient off at Bellevue and one of the Doc's asked if I was going to respond to the WTC. I told him it was out of my area. I asked "why, what's going on?" He told me they were getting reports that "a helicopter" had crashed into one of the towers. I responded after both planes had hit. I was on scene approx 45 min before the first tower fell.

[The 2nd crash happened at approx 9:03 a.m. and the South tower fell at approx 9:59 a.m.]

KT: Was the WTC area part of your regular route?

PO: No, I worked in the Times Square area. The WTC was far downtown from where I was.

KT: What did you immediately do once you arrived at the scene and do you remember where exactly you arrived at?

PO: I reported to a staging officer who told me to park the ambulance along Vesey Street. I ended up parking along the street in front of the 6 World Trade with several other ambulances. We were going to get any injured people who were brought out of the burning buildings to transport to the hospital. I don't remember where we entered from as I was not so familiar with the area.

Another Airplane Warning

KT: Did you basically stay around that area before the South Tower collapsed at 9:59 am?

PO: Yes, we were staged waiting for the triage teams to bring us patients when an officer in a white shirt and blue pants (don't know from what agency) said that there was a radio transmission that stated, "Another plane was headed towards us!" We were told to get to our vehicles and get ready to move fast, but it wasn't fast enough. All of a sudden there was a lot of activity within the several agencies there and everyone started to scramble to ready their respective vehicles.

KT: When you were told another aircraft was approaching, was this right before the South Tower collapsed?

PO: Maybe 3 to 5 minutes prior. I don't know if that estimation is correct, but I remember we all had time to take a minute and look into the skies all around to see if we could see anything.

KT: Did you see any planes in the sky?

PO: No, there was nothing in the skies at that time.


KT: Did you happen to see any helicopters, military or non-military, flying around?

PO: I didn't see any helicopters at the time either.

KT: Where did they want you to move your vehicles to, any particular spot, or just "away" from the WTC?

PO: "Just get ready to move fast" is the phrase I remember.

KT: Did they want you to move away from the area right away, or just get ready to move if another plane was coming in?

PO: I don't know, they just told us to get our equipment, put it back in the vehicles and "get ready to move...fast". At that point, they seemed to realize it just wasn't a safe place to be.

KT: In retrospect, did it seem a little too coincidental that they told all of the rescuers to get ready to move out of the area minutes before the Tower collapsed?

PO: It was a bit eerie at the time as well. In that job, when someone tells you to "just move fast" there's nothing to question, you just move. We had been on scene for a while before just setting up and waiting for patients and all of a sudden there was so much activity. It did seem odd that after being there for some time all of a sudden everyone had to get ready to get out. I personally never expected the buildings to come down.

KT: Did you receive any direct warnings or hear any rumors that any of the towers might be coming down?

PO: We were not told the building was possibly going to collapse. I did not hear any rumors about a building collapse. I never heard anyone say anything to the effect that any of the buildings in the area were not stable at the time. We were simply told to get to our vehicles and get ready to move.

KT: Was Vesey Street blocked off between Church St and West St?

PO: Yes, I think all that were there were fire, police, EMS, and OEM [Office Emergency Management].

KT: Did you ever see any videos or cameras being confiscated from anyone that day?

PO: No.

KT: Did you see any newscasters or any other media people on or near Vesey taking any footage?

PO: No, none that I could see.

Cars Blowing Up

KT: What did you do when the South Tower started coming down?

PO: I didn't know what was happening, but there was a loud "roar" -- lots of crashing sounds. I was attempting to put my stretcher back into the vehicle. The ground was shaking and I saw a sea of people, mostly the various agencies on scene, Fire, Police, EMS, all running towards me. I had no idea what they were running from, but I decided I'd be ahead of them and just started running west towards the river. As I was running, parked cars were blowing up and some were on fire, the street was cracking a bit as well. Very shortly after I started running, everything became one big black cloud. I was near the West Side Highway and I couldn't see around me anymore.


KT: Before you heard the loud rumbling which was the South Tower coming down, do you remember hearing any strange noises like gunfire or crackling sounds?

PO: No.

KT: You talked about the cars blowing up in your WTC Task Force interview, correct?

PO: Yes.


KT: Can you estimate how many vehicles blew up around you?

PO: At least three and some were on fire as I was running by. I was still on the south side of Vesey running west. The burning cars were between my ambulance and about the middle of the 6 World Trade where the lobby doors were at.

KT: Where you running on the street, or up the sidewalk?

PO: Up the sidewalk.

KT: When these vehicles blew up, was it kind of like what you would see in the movies where the vehicle pops up in the air when it explodes with a fireball coming out?

PO: I remember parts flying off -- I think I got hit with a car door. I remember they were also on fire, but I don't specifically recall the movie type fireball, but there was a loud bang as the door flew off the one car I was running past.

KT: Do you have any idea what was causing these vehicles to catch on fire and/or explode? Was the air temperature really hot as you were running by these cars?

PO: I don't know what was causing them to blow up. I didn't know at the time that I was trying to outrun a skyscraper falling on me, but after I found out what I ran from. I figured it was the impact of the building falling and residual effect. I am not an engineer, so I can only guess at a probable cause. I don't remember feeling any extreme heat.

KT: Could you tell if the vehicles blowing up on the street were only parked next to the WTC 6?

PO: I was only paying attention to my immediate surroundings, if there were any vehicles not near me blowing up, I wasn't aware of them, just the ones closest to me.

KT: What type of vehicles were they (cars, SUVs, trucks -- civilian, non-civilian) that were on fire or had blown up?

PO: They were unmarked cars, most likely privately owned. I didn't see any SUVs, trucks or any "official" vehicles on fire.

KT: Were these cars all parked next to each other?

PO: They were parallel parked. There was no discernable order to what was on fire. It was all very chaotic.

Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby

KT: You mentioned you were running west on Vesey Street, what happened after that?

PO: I just kept running. I was aware there were other people running as well. After passing the cars on fire, I was trying to find some place safe. I tried to run into the lobby of 6 World Trade, but there were federal police -- maybe 4 to 6 of them -- standing in the open doorways. As I tried to run in, they wouldn't let me, waving me out, telling me "you can't come in here, keep running." As I turned to start running west again, I saw a series of flashes around the ceiling of the lobby all going off one-by-one like the X-mass lights that "chase" in pattern. I think I started running faster at that point.

KT: Did you hear any "popping" sounds when each of these flashes in the WTC 6 lobby were going off?

PO: Yes, that part was like a movie. The pops were at the same time as the flashes.

KT: Can you estimate either how many flashes you saw or how many of these "pops" you heard inside this lobby?

PO: At least 6 before I was turned away.


KT: Could you still hear any of these explosions when you turned to run back out, or was the noise outside too loud?

PO: I don't recall hearing any more when I resumed running. It was very chaotic.

KT: Now to be clear, were you inside the Lobby of the WTC 6, or were you outside the building when you witnessed these what appeared to be explosions?

PO: I was in the doorway, but not inside the lobby. I remember being able to breathe the somewhat cleaner air coming from inside the building. They stopped me as I was trying to get past the threshold.

KT: Were the explosions going off as you were entering the lobby area, or did they seem to start going off after the police tried to turn you away?

PO: It all happened at the same time. As I got to the doorway, I was told not to come in. As the officer was telling me I couldn't get in the building the flashes starting going off.

KT: Where the police just right at the lobby door, or were some also way inside the building?

PO: There were probably 4-5 officers in the doorway. I could see a few others back in the lobby area.

KT: You said you saw "federal police." What exactly do you mean and did you find it strange they were in there and that they wouldn't let you in?

PO: Well, they were in light brown uniforms and "Smokey the bear" hats. I assumed they were federal police because NYC police don't look like that and I knew there was a lot of federal offices in the WTC as well as the surrounding area, so it wasn't strange to me to see them there, but I did find it very odd that they wouldn't let me in to get cover. But like I say, in that profession, someone tells you to go an opposite way you are going, you don't ask, you just go. I remember hoping they got out as I was watching whatever the small explosions were, because they stayed in the building. They weren't locking it up after evacuating or anything like that.


KT: Did you know which government agencies were in the WTC?

PO: I knew there were a lot of federal agencies in the WTC complex, but I don't know which ones specifically.

KT: Did these policemen run out of the WTC 6 lobby after these explosions occurred, or could you tell?

PO: It didn't look like they did. It looked like they were there making sure no one ran in like I tried to do. I remember seeing them in the doorway, but don't know what happened to them after that.

KT: Did you happen to notice if they were wearing any earplugs or any other uncommon protective gear?

PO: There was nothing that I could see. They appeared to be dressed to simply do lobby detail. No flack wear, no overcoats, no helmets. To this day, I still wonder if they got out.

KT: Did you think these explosions in the lobby were maybe lights popping out as in an electrical surge, or did they seem more like explosives going off in a timed manner?

PO: I immediately got the impression they were timed explosives. I have never thought they were anything else, not then, not now.


KT: Have you ever seen a building being demolished with explosives on TV and was the flashes and pops similar to that?

PO: It did remind me of just that. I had seen something on a Las Vegas casino being demolished and that's what it reminded me of.

KT: Can you try to describe what these "pops" you heard sounded like?

PO: They sounded like light bulbs popping, but there were no light fixtures where the explosions were coming from. The sound was not all that loud.

KT: Do you think these explosions you witnessed were loud enough to be heard on the street?

PO: Because of everything going on, I don't think these "pops" could have been heard from the street. It was definitely louder outside as a whole.

KT: At the time, who did you think planted these explosives in there?

PO: I didn't have any notions of where to put blame per se, but I remember thinking that it was possibly the same organization who tried to blow up the building back in 1993. I figured they came back to finish the job. At the time I was running, I remember thinking that "they" wired the whole area. At the time I wasn't aware that what made the towers catch fire were passenger jets crashing. I thought the buildings had bombs planted to go off that day. The idea of not only one passenger jet, but two took me a while to comprehend -- not to mention the pentagon as well.

KT: Can you estimate how long after you heard the loud rumbling, which was the South Tower coming down, to when you witnessed these explosives going off in the WTC 6?

PO: Well, remember this was all on the same street I was parked. It is very difficult for me to estimate time with so much happening at once, but I want to say maybe 2 to 3 minutes from the rumbling and the ground, and the cars, and the fires, that I tried to run into 6 WTC for cover, which is when I saw those explosions.

KT: Did anybody else besides you and the police witness these explosions in the WTC 6 lobby?

PO: I imagine there must have been others to see, I wasn't the only one running up the street. I can't imagine being the only person to try to run for cover. I didn't see any "civilians" in the lobby of the 6, just the brown uniformed officers.

Motorola Radio Troubles

KT: After you witnessed the explosions in the lobby of the WTC 6, you started running in which direction and then what happened?

PO: I kept running west on Vesey. I got hit with the cloud shortly after being turned away from 6 WTC. I was probably at the corner of Vesey/West Street at that point running. I ran towards the West Side Highway -- there is a park area there. I remember running across grass and there was now lots of grey and black smoke. I was just trying to get to the water because nothing was exploding, or on fire from what I could see. There were lots and lots of people also running that way at this point.

KT: When were you able to escape the dust cloud and what happened after that?

PO: I was now at the water's edge. There were no boats I could see, so I started to run north along the side of the West Side Highway. I was about 9 or 10 blocks north of Vesey on the West Side Highway. I found the first FDNY EMS vehicle and knew the crew as they were also from my station. I remember not being able to breathe so well -- felt like someone was standing on my chest. When I looked back, I could see people coming out of the black cloud and continuing to run and walk north on the West Side Highway as well.

KT: Did you notice any firefighters or other rescuers having technical problems with their Motorola radios or any other equipment?

PO: Oh yeah, at one point there was a loud "buzzing" sound and none of the EMS radios worked for maybe 30 seconds? We all used Motorola radios and I believe our repeaters were on top of the towers, so when the tower came down our radios failed. I tried to use my cellphone, but that too did not work.

KT: Do you know if anybody's cellphone worked and were able to get through to anybody?

PO: A few of my co workers had Nextel phones. Theirs worked, but they couldn't talk to anyone who didn't have a Nextel because all the other services were out at the time.

KT: When did you get to leave the area to go home?

PO: I left by ambulance. A FDNY EMS supervisor came up to myself and my colleagues and told us to "go back in." I still wasn't aware of what I had come out of and I told him anyone who didn't get out isn't getting out and it's not safe to go back in. He yelled at me, demanding all 3 of us "go back in." I told him I was having chest pain and trouble breathing and my colleagues took me to St. Vincent's Hospital. I was on the stretcher with an oxygen mask on looking out the back windows as we were driving off and saw the other tower collapse. It didn't occur to me at the time that the other one was already gone and that's what I came out of. I don't remember when I got home. I had to walk over the Queensboro Bridge and it was dark out. I walked home from my station at Bellevue. I lived in Astoria, Queens at the time. All I wanted to do was get home and see my cats.

Bag & Tag at Ground Zero

KT: In the days after, did you have to go back at Ground Zero?

PO: Yes, I think my first day back was maybe 3 days later.

KT: What were your duties when you had to go back?

PO: We all took turns doing morgue detail, standby for anyone who got hurt going through the rubble. I did morgue detail a few times.

KT: Is this what is referred to as "bag & tag"?

PO: Yes, when you have to log any body parts, or personal effects in morgue work. It was important to try to document any remains we found.

KT: Now despite this being probably the most chaotic incident you had to work at, did you find any strange things when you're recovering evidence there?

PO: Well, I remember cataloging findings in the morgue log -- a tooth, an arm and such. Never catalogued watches, wallets or jewelry.

KT: You never found any jewelry on any of the victim's parts?

PO: I didn't, no. But I do recall at some point either in Brooklyn or Staten Island they had a facility where debris was trucked to and the contents sifted by hand for any evidence. That was some time after 9/11, maybe a few weeks after they started that.

KT: Did you find any personal belongings on the ground or buried under any debris?

PO: I didn't.

KT: What about things like office furniture, computers, and pictures -- things that would be in a normal office building?

PO: Everything was this sort of grey/black debris. I personally never saw anything definable like a chair, desk, or phone, but I never went into what was the base of the building itself, there could have been there.
 I remember everything being layered in grey soot and ashes everywhere and just debris. One thing I remember distinctly was on a corner adjacent to the towers a bike messenger's bicycle still chained to the lamppost covered in soot.

KT: Have you ever worked a recover detail where you didn't find any recognizable personal belongings or objects like interior furniture, say from the aftermath of a fire?

PO: I never worked a recovery detail before that. It wasn't customary for EMS to work recovery. From time to time we would have to transport a body to the morgue after an investigation was completed if the deceased was in public view. I worked in midtown. In the 12 years I was with EMS, I never responded to anything like that.

KT: A year after the attacks, a victim's family received an ATM card that belonged to their son who was supposedly on Flight 11 that crashed into the North Tower and was supposedly found in relative pristine condition by rescue crews at Ground Zero. Did you ever come across anything even remotely close to someone's personal item like this in any condition?

PO: I never came across any personal effects. The things I did find were charred, burnt, rubble covered in soot. I guess that's the needle in the haystack [the ATM card].


KT: So is it fair to say that you think something like this plastic ATM could not only not survive at Ground Zero, but not survive so well intact?

PO: I'd say it was a miracle.


Aircraft Wreckage

KT: Did you ever see any aircraft wreckage lying around on or after 9/11 at Ground Zero.

PO: Not on 9/11
, but a bit after one day I was doing standby and there was a long flatbed truck bringing out a long piece of silver and charred metal, probably the length of 2 passenger cars, that one of the police officers doing standby detail with us brought to my attention and he said it was a piece of the plane.

KT: Could you at all tell what part of the plane this piece of debris you saw on this truck came from and could you see any windows or other discernable markings?

PO: No, it had to be brought to my attention what it was. In fact, I forgot I saw that until you asked the question. It would have stuck in my memory if it was a wing, or seats or anything like that. It was a somewhat long and curved at the edges piece of what looked like fuselage. I didn't see any company markings on it either.

KT: You mentioned this piece was silver in color. Did any part of that piece of silver debris you saw have any of the "shiny silver" you would see on your average American Airlines plane?

PO: Not when I saw it. The entire piece was dull and charred silver, but it definitely looked like part of a plane.

KT: Did anybody you know of who was at the WTC on 9/11 or at Ground Zero afterwards see or find any airplane debris?

PO: Not that I'm aware of. No one mentioned anything like that to me.


WTC Task Force Interview

KT: You were interviewed by the WTC task force afterwards. Did anybody else interview you about your experience at ground zero?

PO: The WTC Task Force was the only group that ever interviewed or debriefed me. They asked me to detail the events that day as well as mark on a map where I was parked and which way I ran.

KT: Who were the people at the WTC Task Force that interviewed you?

PO: I was told one was from the F.B.I., one was from D.O.I. [Dept. of Investigations], one was P.D. I recall there were 4 to 5 people involved. They were writing as well as voice recording.

KT: Do you know why some of the lines on pages 9, 12, 13 of your Task Force interview were blacked out?

PO: No, I never received a copy of my interview and I never read it. All I did was the one interview with them.

KT: When these officials were debriefing you, was this a normal routine after an incident?

PO: I had been on other calls that I was debriefed after (not many) and usually it was an EMS supervisor with P.D. if it was a crime scene, or if I had witnessed a crime, or incident in progress.

KT: Was your interview with the WTC Task Force more of a normal debriefing, or did you feel like you were being interrogated?

PO: I felt as if they were trying to pick apart every minute detail from every possible angle.

KT: Did you find that odd, especially having to trace your movements on a map?

PO: It was a crime scene, so much was lost. I figured they still had to recover equipment and needed to document. I think I was still a bit shell shocked to really consider it. There were so many things that were odd then, nothing was normal.

KT: Did you mention the flashes and explosions going off in the lobby of the WTC 6 to them?

PO: Yes, I did. I remember describing what looked like depth charges going off in the building I tried to run into, but I don't see it in the transcript of my interview.

(Killtown: She had never received a couple of her WTC Task Force interview or had read it until I sent her a copy and she read it over while we were doing to the interview.)

KT: Did they ask you any follow-up questions about these explosions?

PO: No, they asked me to describe the events as I have described them to you here. I don't recall them asking any follow up questions. They simply took notes all the way through. The only specific questions I remember being asked was in regards to mapping out where my vehicle was and which way I ran.

WTC 5 Blowing Up

KT: On the Task Force interview, you said "I was still on Vesey, cause the building that blew up on me was on Vesey." Which building were you refereeing to?

PO: I don't know, but that is all WTC property. I'm not sure if that was 6 or just a part of the WTC complex.

KT: When you said the building "blew up" on you, are you talking about the explosions you saw in the WTC 6 lobby?

PO: No, this was directly behind my vehicle as I was trying to put the stretcher back in. I don't know if that was part of 6 though. I ran from what was blowing up and that's when I tried to run into the lobby of 6. The vehicles were parked backed up to the curb, not parallel parked, so the back doors of the ambulance were facing the building [WTC 6] on the south side of Vesey.

KT: Do you feel that it was either the WTC 5 or 6 that was blowing up?

PO: Yes.


KT: Was this before the cars started catching on fire and blowing up, or about at the same time?

PO: All at the same time. Everything happened very quickly. I couldn't say which came first.

KT: You mentioned in that interview that you thought one of the lobbies of the building behind you is what blew out. Was this the lobby of WTC 5 or 6?

PO: I'm not sure, but it was probably 5 because 6 was west of me and that's the lobby I tried to run into.


KT: Can you describe more about how the building blew up on you? Did you feel the shock wave from the explosion and/or debris falling down near you?

PO: Well, one second I was trying to put my stretcher into the ambulance, the next thing I know I am thrown to the ground as the ground was shaking. Debris was flying at me from where the building I was parked in front of. There was a continual loud rumbling, there was just debris flying from every direction and then everything being covered in the black and gray smoke.


KT: Let's recap real quickly; your ambulance was parked backed up against the WTC 6, near the 6's corner by the alleyway between the WTC 5 and 6. When you were trying to put your stretcher back in, you were knocked down to the ground by an explosion that you thought came from the lobby of WTC 5. When you got back up, you started running west up the sidewalk on Vesey St towards West Side Hwy and then these cars parked along the street started blowing up as you ran by and that's when you tried to duck into the WTC 6 lobby for cover, but these policemen inside where preventing you from coming in and that's when you saw the explosions inside the lobby of WTC 6?

PO: Yes.

KT: Did anybody else you know concur with you that either the WTC 5 or 6 was blowing up at the same time you heard the rumbling of the South Tower collapsing?

PO: No, it never came up in discussion.

KT: After the attacks when things were starting to settle down for you and after the government and media was telling us what had all happened, did you ever look back and think what were all those explosions from the WTC 5 and 6 you witnessed were all about and why there was never any official mention of them?

PO: No, I didn't watch the news. I was a bit shell shocked to say the least. In fact the very first time I have revisited that day was when I found your site.

WTC 7

KT: You mentioned you left the WTC area before the North Tower collapsed. When did you hear about the WTC 7 collapsing, in which you were parked across the street from on 9/11?

PO: When I stumbled onto your site 3 weeks ago.

KT: Did that surprise you that you never heard about the WTC 7 collapsing afterwards?

PO: Actually, it did. It confused me somewhat because I don't remember seeing anything on the news about it, or even knowing it was in any type of unstable condition.

KT: So you weren't aware that another building had collapse (which was WTC 7) when you returned to Ground Zero for morgue detail?

PO: No I wasn't. There was so much debris and wreckage I couldn't tell what was what anymore.

KT: When you were on the scene on Vesey St that whole time, did you happen to notice any commotion, or anything strange going on near the WTC 7?

PO: No.

Colleagues Lost

KT: Were you ever invited to the 9/11 Commission hearings?

PO: No.

KT: Were you ever gagged by anybody from talking about anything related to 9/11?

PO: No, I wasn't.

KT: Are you concerned that you might loose your job by speaking out on these issues?

PO: No, not at this time.

KT: Have you suffered any health effects from working down at Ground Zero?

PO: I broke a couple of ribs, but didn't realize it till 3 days later. I had, like most of my colleagues, the "WTC cough" for several months. It was an extremely annoying dry hack that didn't produce anything, but acted more like "spasms" rather than a cough. You'd get woken up in the middle of the night with this cough that sometimes would have you near passing out and unable to catch your breath. Over time it has dissipated, thanks gods.

KT: Did you lose any colleagues at Ground Zero?

PO: I stopped counting at 60.





"Her original interview from 11 oct 2001 (in .pdf file) is even more fascinating!! Some exceptions:"

"I saw a police captain that I knew, and he came out to me. He looked absolutely
terrified, he was shaking, he was pale, he was sweating. I looked at him, I said what's
wrong? He said there's another plane headed our way, and they just blew up the
Pentagon."

"I ran into the lobby cause I had no idea what had happened and the cops that were in there were telling everybody get out, get out, get out. Where are you gonna go? Stuff's blowing up."

"As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the
West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that
set my feet on fire."

"I saw two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there
was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the
middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from
where I could see it
."

"I saw my ex-partner, and I said get in this thing and drive it to Westchester.
I told him get the hell out of the city. Get everyone was can get in this, I said shit's still blowing up down there. Whatever you do, don't go in that direction, start driving north. He was like, looking at me like I was insane. Cause I don't know if anyone saw what had happened. All you could see was black smoke and that's all I can see at that point. Now
I'm in an area where all the reporters are coming up to me and asking what had
happened, and I said I don't thinking I'm allowed to talk about it. Cause I don't know
what happened, and I wasn't gonna tell anybody. You know, it was surreal, like it wasn't
really happening."

"At that point I got really upset. I said, do you realize they just blew up our triage sector?"





More account of eyewitnesses:
www.flcv.com/firemen.html

"EMT JULIO MARRERO
WTC2
In that process of him trying to explain to me to pull my ambulance over, I heard a loud bang. We looked up, and we just saw the building starting to collapse. I was screaming from the top of my lungs, and I must have been about ten feet away from her and she couldn't even hear me, because the building was so loud, the explosion, that she couldn't even hear me."

"PARAMEDIC DANIEL RIVERA
WTC2
Q. WHAT DID YOU HEAR? WHAT DID YOU SEE?
A. It was a frigging noise at first. At first I thought it was a professional demolition, where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear Pop Pop Pop Pop."

"FIREFIGHTER GERARD GORMAN
in WTC1 when WTC2 fell
It was like an earthquake. It was like worse and worse. It got real dark. I remember diving into the core of the building by the elevators. I fucking forgot my mask, dove in, just diving. It was shaking and then the lights went out ...
WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT WAS ANOTHER PLANE THAT'S RIGHT THAT'S WHEN THE OTHER BUILDING CAME DOWN BECAUSE WE HEARD THE RUMBLE. BOOM JUST CRASHING DOWN I THOUGHT IT WAS ANOTHER PLANE"

Firemen evacuating WTC1, after WTC2 collapsed
Sean Brown damage, then collapse
“...the lobby was like a war zone. All the windows were blown out, and the command post wasn't there. We made it to the corner of West and Vesey when the building came down."





abclocal.go.com/images/wabc/2005/OndrovicPatricia_EMT.pdf

Her original interview with the NYCFD, October 11th 2001, with several redactions.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:04 pm

Posted by seeker on 08/06/2015
This whole thing is getting thicker than the dust drifting off the main towers AS they pulverized and fell.

I didn't even know about the building 6 anomalies and I've been looking into the entire complex 9/11 affair since the day of it.

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Posted by kostas on 08/06/2015

From Presstv:


For more than eleven years, Israel has been wildly celebrating the success of its 9/11 operation against the United States of America. The latest example: Israeli children recently dressed up as the burning Twin Towers, complete with impaled exploding airplanes, to celebrate the bizarre Jewish holiday known as Purim. Purim exalts and commemorates an ancient operation very much like 9/11. It glorifies the deceptions of Esther, who concealed her Jewish identity to seduce the King of Persia, then slyly tricked him into slaughtering 75,000 people deemed “enemies of the Jews.” In other words, Purim celebrates Jews lying, secretly penetrating the highest levels of government, and manipulating the leaders of an empire into mass-murdering perceived “enemies of the Jewish people.” That is exactly what the neoconservative Likudnik extremists - Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, and the rest - did on September 11th, 2001. The only difference is that these modern, neocon Esthers would eventually kill millions of innocent people, not just 75,000. And if they succeed in tricking the US into attacking Iran on behalf of Israel, thereby launching World War III, today's neocon Esthers could kill tens or even hundreds of millions. The Israeli schoolchildren dressed up as the burning Twin Towers are not the first Zionists to wildly celebrate Israel's biggest-ever attack on America. That honor belongs to the “dancing Israelis,” five Mossad spies who set up their cameras in Liberty State Park, across the harbor from the World Trade Center, early in the morning of September 11th, 2001, and pointed those cameras at the as-yet-undamaged Twin Towers. (Their video of the first plane hitting the North Tower has never been publicly released.) When the planes hit the Towers, the “dancing Israelis” went wild. They began leaping, cavorting, and high-fiving each other. As the Towers burned, the “dancing Israelis” took pictures of each other holding up burning cigarette lighters in front of the burning Towers. And when the Towers were blasted to powder in explosive controlled demolitions, the “dancing Israelis” went crazy with joy. Their plan had succeeded. Unfortunately for them - and for Israel - their wild celebrations did not go unnoticed. An American woman called the police, who arrested the four Mossad operatives, confiscated the thousands of dollars in cash stuffed in their socks, and held them for weeks. During their incarceration, the Israeli spies repeatedly failed lie detector tests. Nonetheless, they were secretly sent back to Israel, at the request of the Israeli government, by Israeli dual citizen and US Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff. Later, back in Israel, the “dancing Israelis” went on television and admitted their complicity in 9/11, but denied having planted the explosives that destroyed the Twin Towers, saying: “We were only there to document the event.” (How did they know there would be an event to document?) Another Israeli who visibly could not contain his joy at the success of 9/11's “Operation Esther” was Benjamin Netanyahu. When the once and future Israeli Prime Minister was asked about his reaction to 9/11, he said: “It's very good!” Then, catching himself, he added that while it wasn't exactly good, it was certainly good for Israel. Netanyahu would never stop bragging about how wonderful 9/11 was. Seven years after the attack, he was still saying: "We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.” (Ha'aretz, Apr 16, 2008 - “Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel”.) Netanyahu wasn't the only high-level Israeli caught celebrating 9/11. Another culprit was the legendary Mossad spy chief, Mike Harari. On September 11th 2001, as the dancing Israelis danced and Netanyahu chortled, “retired” Israeli Mossad Chief Mike Harari was in Bangkok, Thailand organizing a huge party to celebrate the success of his 9/11 operation. During the merry-making, Harari bragged to one of his associates, Dmitri Khalezov, that he, Harari, had been responsible for 9/11. (You can listen to my radio interview with Khalezov atnoliesradio.org/archives/29582 .) Khalezov's testimony is supported by documents showing the fake IDs Harari was using in Thailand. All of the Israeli celebrations of 9/11 - so far - have been unofficial. But the Israeli government is on the record officially applauding another of its many attacks on the US: The 1954 Lavon Affair, otherwise known as Operation Susannah. In that covert operation, Israeli Mossad operatives, disguised as Egyptians, bombed American targets in Egypt. When the Israeli terrorists were caught by the Egyptian authorities and prosecuted, Israel denied any involvement and complained that the whole thing was an anti-Semitic smear. But later, as the Zionist website Wikipedia admits: “In March 2005, Israel publicly honored the surviving operatives, and President Moshe Katsav presented each with a certificate of appreciation for their efforts on behalf of the (Israeli) state, ending decades of official denial by Israel." When will Israel officially award a Certificate of Appreciation to its Mossad operatives who blew up the Twin Towers and WTC-7 and killed almost 3,000 Americans in order to launch a series of US wars against Israel's enemies? Not for another few decades, we may safely surmise. When Israel finally does admit its responsibility for 9/11, and lavish honors on the Mossad terrorists responsible, will it be during Purim - the holiday honoring Jews who seduce gentile rulers and manipulate them into mass-murdering their enemies? 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Israel celebrates successful 9/11 operation on Purim holiday






Another who visibly could not contain his joy at the success of 9/11's “Operation Esther” was Benjamin Netanyahu. When the once and future Israeli Prime Minister was asked about his reaction to 9/11, he said: “It's very good!” Then, catching himself, he added that while it wasn't exactly good, it was certainly good for Israel."






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Re: 9-11 Truth

Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm

Posted by lizardking on 08/06/2015

Aug 6, 2015 1:14:27 GMT kostas said:
Long ago I have lost interest in killing tools, it can be a stick, a stone, a gun, a knife, might be explosives, chemicals, viruses, cancer, no difference. We should talk about the killers. They killing us every day, by treating cancer alone, they kill 9 million people per year, what about vaccines? I see half of all children injured by it, how many dies, we do not even know. By introducing meat to children, mixing it in vegetable puree, giving it to babies from six months of age, they ensuring people's stupidity and future diseases. They killing us today in front of our eyes, and we still debating, whether it was explosives, termit or DEW.



This is a thread for 9/11, naturally we are arguing about the use of DEW, which, by the way, is not at all comparable to killing someone with a gun, or killing them with a knife; Knives and guns have not been suppressed from public knowledge and do not wield the ability to fuel the entire world at no cost. 

We can discuss Free Energy (an extremely depreciated conspiracy) and discuss the people responsible for suppressing it and murdering us. One does not outstrip the other.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:07 pm

Posted by lizardking on 08/14/2015
Pentagon 'reinforcer' AMEC wired WTC7

As Village Voice reports Friday that a federal judge has issued an important ruling in a little-noticed lawsuit about the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7. The power company ConEdison had a substation beneath the WTC7, which suddenly imploded late on the afternoon of 9/11. ConEdison's reinsurers have sued the parties involved in the construction of WTC7 for recompense.

Scanning through the copy of the ruling provided online by the Voice, we see the name AMEC pop up. Ths is interesting, because AMEC is the British construction company which was in charge of. From United States District Judge's ALVIN K. HELLERSTEIN's Jan. 12 ruling:

"Plaintiffs filed Civil Action 02 Civ. 7188 on September 10, 2002 against the City and the Port Authority,2 and Civil Action 04 Civ. 7272 on September 10, 2004 against the owners and lessees of 7WTC, and against the design and construction professionals who designed and built 7WTC and the leased floors of Salomon and the City. Plaintiffs seek to recover their damage.

[...]

In order to ensure that a power outage would not disrupt Citigroup’s trading activities at 7WTC, the Citigroup Lease provided that Citigroup would have the right to install "diesel emergency power generators … together with all ancillary equipment therefor." (Citigroup Lease at C-10.) The Citigroup Lease included detailed provisions relating to the size and location of the generators and provided further that 7 World Trade Company would "arrange with the Port Authority for the installation of a diesel fuel storage tank on the property of the Port Authority and the installation of a fuel line from such facility running through the property of the Port Authority to the Tenant’s emergency power generators."

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In 1988, Salomon Inc., now Citigroup, entered into an agreement with Silverstein as 7 World Trade Company’s managing agent, pursuant to which Citigroup leased floors 28-47 and portions of floors 1-5 of 7WTC.

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By Order of January 7, 2005 (the "F&K Order"), I ruled: The complaint . . . mixes claims against numerous defendants labeled, "the Construction Defendants." It is impossible . . . to understand what each such defendant purportedly did in the construction of 7 World Trade Center, a multi-storied office building that collapsed

[...]

4. The Citigroup Construction Defendants
The Citigroup Construction Defendants—AMEC PLC, the general contractor; Skidmore Owings and Merrill, L.L.P. ("Skidmore"), the architect; Flack & Kurtz ("Flack"), the mechanical engineer; Centrifugal Associates, Inc. ("Centrifugal"), the infrastructure and mechanical subcontractor; and Irwin Cantor, the structural engineer—are alleged, by the same general allegations as were used in the previous groupings of defendants, to have been negligent in the design and construction of 7WTC. (Am. Compl. 7272 ¶¶ 183-88.)
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So, Saloman controlled the first five and the top 20 floors of this building. AMEC was in charge of wiring Saloman's offices to diesel tanks elsewhere in the building. That would have given AMEC access to the enitre infrastructure of the building, to be powered for "back-up power" or.... whatever else.

The judge has dismissed all charges against AMEC and will allow a limited negligence claim against leaseholder Silverstein and the Port Authority to go forawrd. More from Village Voiceindicates how suspicious New York's literati are finally becoming of the anomalies:

WTC7 was the last building to fall on 9-11. No one was killed there. Compared to the twin towers it was a relative nobody among New York skyscrapers, but it has enjoyed posthumous notoriety because of the mystery of why exactly it fell. Thanks to the neat and sudden collapse of the building, WTC7 is central to alternative theories about what happened on 9-11—and particularly to the notion that the buildings in lower Manhattan were brought down by planned demolitions.

Mainstream inquiries also find puzzlement on WTC 7. The national investigation of Ground Zero building collapses has yet to issue its final report on building seven. An earlier study by the Federal Emergency Management Agency punted on trying to explain the collapse definitively. Not struck by planes, WTC7 appears to have collapsed solely because of fire—apparently a first for a steel-framed skyscraper. The diesel fuel was the most likely culprit, even though FEMA said this "best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence." The city's OEM command center used a 6,000-gallon diesel tank; this was one of several in the building. Hellestein's ruling doesn't delve into whether the diesel fuel caused the collapse, or if it was a particularly bright idea to have it there, but finds that the city is immune under a state law.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:07 pm

Posted by lizardking on 08/14/2015






'No thermite on 9/11, folks!

Steve Jones helped to Cover Up Cold Fusion!'

www.checktheevidence.com/911/BYUStevenJones/

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:08 pm

Posted by okayako on 08/15/2015

May 18, 2015 21:40:02 GMT lizardking said:
I've already spoken about this, and I think it's quite clear. The towers were brought down with a mixture of explosives and/or Free Energy technology.


This is my conclusion as well. I was a huge supporter of AE 9/11 Truth, even donated and received cards to pass out. However, after listening to presentations by Judy Wood, I feel she has a valid argument. In one of her interviews, she mentions something called a "second net"--the people who pulled off such a mass hoax are also capable of setting up controlled opposition as well. or the "second net". In fact, if the powers that be DIDN'T create controlled opposition, then they are slipping! Of course at the time of planning the false flag, there will also be plans for controlled op.  The people who don't believe the official story will fall through and be caught in the second net, the controlled opposition net. They will still be caught in the lie, still controlled, but will think they are free. It's evil brilliance, and it works. What's important is constantly shedding your perceptions to always align with truth. We are always fed lies and deceit, and we need to see it for what it is--means of control. It's sad that we don't know whom to trust, but maybe the overall lesson is to learn to trust YOURSELF and your own discernment. You will be given lies, and it is up to you and only you to find your way through. Maybe it is best to keep an open mind, and simultaneously, a suspicious mind, because the lies will come from all directions! When you realize you have been misled, move on. It works and it is liberating. What is NOT liberating is clinging to a belief and hoping to make the truth fit to it. 

I also believe explosives were used, to promote the demolition theory for the "second net" folks. There will always be a few who don't believe in the official story, and they must be corralled into a predetermined storyline as well. I have a suspicion that a new technology unknown to us has also been used to "dustify" the towers. Of course there is tech that is hidden from us--how could there not be!  

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Rock hard iron clad evidence to get Wood:





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Posted by lizardking on 08/28/2015
Ten Years Ago: The Death of Dr. David Kelly. Murdered on the Orders of Her Majesty’s Government?
By Dr. David Halpin and James Corbett
Global Research, July 19, 2013

On July 18, 2003, British biowarfare expert and UN weapons inspector David Kelly was found dead on Harrowdown Hill, near his home in Oxfordshire. Ruled a suicide by the official judicial inquiry chaired by Lord Hutton, now a group of British doctors is challenging the Attorney General’s decision not to hold a coroner’s inquest into the death, citing the overlooked, suppressed and modified evidence suggesting Dr. Kelly was murdered.

From the outset, there have been questions about the nature and timing of Dr. David Kelly’s death, as well as the official investigation and subsequent inquiry into the events of that day.

As a UN weapons inspector who had been to Iraq dozens of times to investigate allegations of Saddam Hussein’s bioweapons stockpile, Kelly became the centre of attention in the summer of 2003 when he was revealed as the source of a controversial BBC report alleging that the Blair government had “sexed up” its dossier on Iraqi WMD. In the wake of that scandal, he was called to testify before a parliamentary committee investigating the BBC report and was aggressively questioned about his role in the scandal. He was found dead two days later.

The official inquiry into that death, the Hutton Inquiry, was quickly convened and issue its report in January 2004, officially concluding that Dr. Kelly had taken his own life by a combination of slitting his left wrist and overdosing on coproxamol. Over the course of the decade, however, information has come to light suggesting that the Hutton Inquiry not only ignored key evidence in the case pointing to foul play, but that the report in fact actively covered up such evidence.

The cover up into Dr. Kelly’s death seemingly began before it even started. Operation Mason, the official police investigation into Dr. Kelly’s death, started nine hours before his family even reported him missing.

One of the key witnesses to the Hutton Inquiry and the man who found Dr. Kelly’s body, Detective Constable Coe, now admits that there was surprisingly little blood at the scene for a man who supposedly bled to death. Stunningly, he also admits that he lied to the inquiry in saying that there was only himself and his partner at the scene that day, now admitting that there was an unidentified third man there that many have speculated was someone with the security services.

David Bartlett, the paramedic who pronounced Dr. Kelly dead at the scene, claimed that his body had obviously been moved and confirmed there was surprisingly little blood near the body, saying “I’ve seen more blood at a nosebleed than I saw there.” He also said that as soon as the body was found, the police threw a “blackout” around the scene. He was even banned from speaking to his own control room over radio, the first time that this had happened in his career.

A flight log released under the Freedom of Information Act earlier this year proves that a helicopter landed at the scene just 90 minutes after the discovery of the body. The flight log, which has been heavily redacted, shows that the helicopter only remained on the ground for five minutes before taking off. To this day, the presence of the helicopter at the scene has never been officially explained and there is no indication as to what it was dropping off or picking up from the scene of the crime.

In 2008, one of his colleagues and personal confidants, Mai Pederson, came forward to say that Dr. Kelly could not have killed himself in the manner suggested because he had difficulty using his right hand for strenuous activities because of a painful injury he had sustained to his right elbow. Still, the official conclusion of the Hutton Inquiry holds that Kelly used a knife in his right hand to slit his left wrist.

Perhaps the most compelling evidence, however, is the testimony of a group of doctors who have come together in recent years to provide expert testimony challenging the official claim of suicide.

It is their contention that the verdict of suicide does not fit with the medical evidence presented in the case, and they have formed a group in recent years to petition the UK government to convene a coroner’s inquest into the death, something that should have been done in the first place but was not.

Last week I had the chance to talk to one of the doctors who has been vocal in challenging the results of the Hutton Inquiry, Dr. David Halpin. I asked him about some of the medical evidence that problematizes the official verdict that Dr. Kelly’s death was a suicide.

Shortly after the group of doctors and barristers questioning Dr. Kelly’s death formed in 2009 to put pressure on the government to re-open the investigation, it was revealed that Lord Hutton had taken the extraordinary measure of classifying all of the medical records used by the inquiry, including the post-mortem findings and photographs of the body, for 70 years, a decision that not even the Ministry of Justice was able to explain the legal basis for.

A widespread public backlash forced the government to release the post-mortem documents in late 2010. After reviewing the post-mortem, Dr. Michael Powers, QC, a former coroner and one of the doctors demanding an inquest, noted that there was in fact no new information revealed in the report and that the release of the documents may have been an attempt to close off the option of a coroner’s inquest into the death in the face of massive public support for the reopening of the Kelly case.

Indeed, in June of 2011, UK Attorney General Dominic Grieve did refuse to open an inquest into the matter.

Now, Dr. Halpin is involved in an attempt to open a judicial review into the decision not to convene an inquest on the death. Paying for the proceedings out of his own pocket, this retired orthopedic surgeon is now shouldering the brunt of the responsibility for attempting to see a proper investigation into the many discrepancies in the Dr. Kelly case.

In recent months an independent grassroots campaign to raise funds for the legal battle for an inquest has sprung up, and the public continues to show great concern over this case.

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Post by Thinkforyourself on Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:11 pm

Posted by lizardking on 09/06/2015
Who is Tania Head?



Have you seen the 2012 National Geographic documentary, The Woman Who Wasn't There? It's about a woman whose name is Tania Head. She said she was in the south World Trade Center tower when it was hit by one of the airplanes and that she lost her fiance, Dave.

A New York Times reporter was interested in her story but found out that she was in fact not in one of the towers when they were hit on 9/11, nor did she have a fiance by the name of Dave who was killed in the North tower on 9/11. She was not even in the USA at the time of the attack. Furthermore, many people are beginning to ask questions about a story she told where she lost one of her arms in an accident, but it was reattached by a surgeon.

Tania Head joined the World Trade Center Survivors Network which was formed by two survivors to "have their voices heard." At that time, much of the attention was given to the firefighters, police officers and people inside and around the towers who were killed on 9/11. This group was for survivors to help themselves and their colleagues. She was later elected president of that group. This was in 2004. Her wikipedia biography is here.

Apparently, Tania did not take any money nor did she make any money off of her 9/11 status. When she met with 9/11 victims, she would rent office space to accommodate them. Where did she get this money from? In fact, how did she survive if she did not have a job? How did she pay her apartment rent and utilities? She said she worked for Merrill Lynch in the south World Trade Center Tower, but they replied that no such employee with that name ever worked for them.



After some people in Spain began to see her on cable television walking with Mayor Rudy Giuliani and other New York City officials she was identified as Alicia Esteve, a Spanish graduate student in Barcelona at the time of 9/11 and her first trip to the U.S.A. was in 2003.

There are a lot of youtube videos about her, and the documentary (mentioned above) is interesting because you have to ask yourself, why was this woman so important that National Geographic would make a documentary about her for national television? Here is a a morning news show with Matt Lauer discussing the documentary with Angelo Guglielmo. At 4:00 to 5:00 in this video the director of the film, Angelo Guglielmo, says that he did not include the frantic actions of Alicia Esteve when she was seen in New York City in 2012 because:

Lauer: "The last scene in the documentary you start with just the very beginning of an encounter where you took a camera and confronted her. That turned that encounter into a bit of rage on her part, yet you didn't put it in the documentary, why?"

Guglielmo: "Well, you know, in the book, the character of the filmmaker and my relationship with Tania was well documented. In the movie, there's just no time for that, and we felt like bringing it in at the very end would have posed more questions than answers."

Why would a director of a documentary say something like that? I would expect a director of a documentary to investigate and research the subject and not be worried about raising questions. Can you see this is another attempt at damage control? It could be that these videos and the documentary are an attempt to prevent people from finding out who Tania Head/Alicia Esteve really is. There may have been enough interest generated about this woman that the Zionists had no choice but to make a TV show about her to prevent people from investigating her and to convince us to believe whatever the television show tells us.

When Alicia Esteve was exposed in 2007 by New York Times reporter Donald Dunlap, the friends she made in the 9/11 survivor group were devastated, and rightfully so. Could you imagine being deceived like that? They began to wonder why in the world would someone from Spain travel all the way to America to join a 9/11 survivors group, be elected president of that group, and then vanish after she was exposed as a liar? She wasn't even picked up for questioning by the police or authorities. Why not? The FBI arrested a New York City woman, Nouel Alba, for her fraudulent claim about being related to one of the victims of the Newton, Connecticut shooting. So why doesn't the FBI arrest or investigate Tonya Head for her fraudulent claims? You can see how important this is. If she was working for the Mossad, or any Zionist organization, or passing information to criminal Jews, she should be questioned by the police. Who is Alicia Esteve and what is she doing?

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Posted by lizardking on 09/11/2015
September 11: Inside Job or Mossad Job?
by Laurent Guyénot

Israel’s role in the events of September 11, 2001—that shape the 21st century—is the subject of bitter controversy, or rather a real taboo even within the 9/11 Truth Movement, causing the ostracism of the man who dared to broach the subject, Thierry Meyssan. Most advocacy groups, mobilized behind the slogan "9/11 was an Inside Job," remain discreet regarding the evidence involving the secret services of the Jewish state. Laurent Guyénot focuses on certain compelling—though grossly under reported—facts and analyzes the mechanisms of denial.

While Israel’s role in the destabilization of the world post-September 11 is becoming increasingly clear, the idea that a faction of Likudniks, aided by their allies embedded in the U.S. State apparatus, are responsible for the false flag operation of September 11 is becoming more difficult to suppress, and some individuals have the courage to state so publicly. Francesco Cossiga, President of Italy between 1985 and 1992, declared on 30 November 2007 to the daily Corriere della Sera: “From areas around the Palazzo Chigi, nerve centre of direction of Italian intelligence, it is noted that the non-authenticity of the video is supported by the fact that Osama bin Laden in it ’confessed’ that Al Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers in New York. However, all of the democratic areas of America and of Europe, with the Italian center-left in the forefront, now know full well that the disastrous attack was planned and executed by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to falsely incriminate Arabic countries and to persuade the Western Powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan [1]." Alan Sabrosky, former professor at the U.S. Army War College and the U.S. Military Academy, did not hesitate to proclaim his belief that September 11 is a "classical operation orchestrated by Mossad" carried out with accomplices within the United States government, and his voice has been forcefully echoed by some U.S. Army veterans sites who are disgusted by the vile war that they were forced to wage on behalf of the September 11 lie or that of the weapons of mass destruction of Saddam Hussein [2].

The arguments in favor of the Mossad hypothesis are not only related to the reputation of the world’s most powerful secret service, which a report by the U.S. Army School for Advanced Military Studies (quoted by the Washington Times on the eve of September 11th), described as "wildcat, ruthless and cunning. Able to carry out an attack on U.S. forces and disguise it as an act committed by Palestinians/Arabs [3]." The Mossad involvement, together with other Israeli elite units, is made evident by a number of little known facts.

The dancing Israelis


The eBook by Hicham Hamza, "Israel and September 11: The Great Taboo" (2013) brings together the case against Israel, with impeccable precision and all easily accessible sources.

How many of us know, for example, that the only people arrested on the same day in connection with the terrorist attacks of September 11 are Israelis [4]? This information was reported the very next day by journalist Paulo Lima in The Record, the newspaper of Bergen County in New Jersey, according to police sources. Immediately after the first impact on the North Tower, three individuals were seen by several witnesses on the roof of a van parked at Liberty State Park in Jersey City, "celebrating” and “jumping up and down,” and photographing themselves with the twin towers in the background. They then moved their van to another parking spot in Jersey City, where other witnesses saw them display the same ostentatious celebrations. The police immediately issued a BOLO alert (be-on-the-look-out): "Vehicle possibly related to the terrorist attack in New York. 2000 white Chevrolet van with New Jersey plates and an ’Urban Moving Systems’ sign at the back, was seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into the World Trade Center. Three individuals with the van were seen celebrating after the initial impact and the explosion that followed [5]." The van was stopped by police a few hours later, with five young Israelis aboard: Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. Physically forced out of the vehicle and pinned to the ground, the driver, Sivan Kurzberg, launched this strange sentence: "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem [6].” Police sources who informed Paulo Lima were convinced of the involvement of the Israelis in the morning’s attacks: "There were maps of the city in the van with some of the points highlighted. It looked like they knew [...] they knew what would happen when they were at Liberty State Park [7]. Passports of various nationalities, nearly 6000 dollars in cash and open airline tickets to travel abroad were also found on them. The Kurzberg brothers were formally identified as Mossad agents. The five Israelis worked officially for a moving company named Urban Moving Systems, whose employees were mostly Israelis. "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me [8]," stated one of the few non-Israeli workers to The Record. On September14, after receiving a visit from the police, the business owner, Dominik Otto Suter, left the country for Tel Aviv.

The information disclosed by The Record, confirmed by the police report, was taken on by investigative sites such as the Wayne Madsen Report (September 14, 2005) and Counterpunch (February 7, 2007). It was also reported in some main media as well but in a way that minimized its scope: the New York Times (November 21, 2001) failed to mention the nationality of the individuals, just like Fox News and the Associated Press. The Washington Post (November 23, 2001) said they were Israelis, but passed over in silence their apparent foreknowledge of the event. However, The Forward (March 15, 2002), a magazine of the New York Jewish community, revealed that, according to an anonymous U.S. intelligence source, Urban Moving Systems was a Mossad undercover unit (which did not prevent it from receiving a federal loan of 498,750 dollars, as shown by the tax records)] [9].

The FBI conducted an investigation contained in a 579 page report, partially declassified in 2005 (it will be completely declassified in 2035). Freelance journalist Hisham Hamza analyzed this in detail in his book Israel and September 11: The Great Taboo. It shows a number of damning elements. First, the photos taken by these young Israelis actually show them in attitudes of celebration before the North Tower on fire: "They smiled, they hugged and they gave each other high fives." To explain this, stakeholders said they were simply delighted "that the United States should now take steps to stop terrorism in the world" (although, at this point, a majority of people thought the crashes were an accident rather than an act of terrorism).Moreover, at least one witness saw them positioned at 8:00, before an aircraft struck the first tower, while others certify that they were already taking pictures five minutes later, which is confirmed by their photosA former employee confirmed to the FBI, the fanatically pro-Israeli and anti-American atmosphere that reigned in the company, even attributing to its director, Dominik Otto Suter, these words: "Give us twenty years and we will seize and destroy your media and your country." The five arrested Israelis were in contact with another moving company called Classic International Movers, four employees of which were interviewed separately for their links with the nineteen suspected hijackers. One of them had called "an individual in South America with genuine links to Islamic militants in the Middle East." Finally, "a sniffer dog gave a positive result for the presence of traces of explosives in the vehicle [10]."

As Hamza notes, the report’s conclusion is thought provoking: the FBI informs the local police detaining the suspects that, "the FBI has no further interest in investigating the prisoners and ’appropriate immigration procedures should be initiated [11]." A letter from the federal Immigration and Naturalization Service in fact shows that the FBI management recommended the termination of the investigation on September 24, 2001. However, the five Israelis spent 71 days in prison in Brooklyn, during which they refused, then failed several lie detector tests. They were subsequently repatriated under the simple charges of visa violations.







Omer Marmari, Oded Ellner and Yaron Shmuel, three of the five "dancing Israelis" are invited to report in an Israeli TV programe upon their return in November 2001. Denying being members of Mossad, one of them said candidly: "Our goal was to record the event."

We must finally mention an important detail of this affair, which may provide an additional explanation for the exuberant behavior of these young Israelis: some witnesses specify in their calls to the police, that people rejoicing on the roof of their van seemed to be "Arabs" or "Palestinians". In particular, shortly after the collapse of the towers, an anonymous call to police in Jersey City, reported on the same day by NBC News, described "a white van with two or three guys on the inside, they look like Palestinians and they are circling around a building", one of them "is mixing things and he has a ’sheikh’s outfit on. [...] He is dressed like an Arab [12]." All indications are that these individuals were precisely the five Israelis arrested later. Two hypotheses come to mind: either our false movers are actually engaged in a staged action to appear as Arabs/Palestinians, or the witness or witnesses who described them as such were accomplices. As in the other case, it is clear that their goal was to initiate media rumors that Muslims had been spotted rejoicing not only for the attacks, but also for having foreknowledge. The information was actually broadcast on some radio stations at noon, and on NBC News in the afternoon. I personally lean toward the second hypothesis (informants as accomplices rather than true Arabs in disguise) because the police report makes no mention of any exotic clothing found in the van, but especially because the informant cited above, who emphasized the clothing details, seems to have wanted to mislead the police about the exact location of the van; the latter was intercepted only because the police, instead of being satisfied with just this location, blocked all bridges and underground tunnels between New Jersey and New York. But the important thing is this: If the Israelis had not been arraigned in the late afternoon, the story probably would have made headlines with the title: The Dancing Arabs. Instead, it was completely suppressed and was circulated only confidentially under the title The dancing Dancing Israelis, or The Highfivers.


Ehud Barak, former head of Israeli military intelligence (Sayeret Matkal), was Prime Minister from July 1999 to March 2001. Replaced by Ariel Sharon, he moved to the United States as a consultant for Electronic Data Systems and SCP Partners, a Mossad screen company specializing in security issues which, with its partners Metallurg Holdings and Advanced Metallurgical, had the ability to produce nano-thermite. SCP Partners had an office within ten kilometers of Urban Moving Systems. An hour after the disintegration of the towers, Ehud Barak is on the set of BBC World to describe bin Laden as the prime suspect (Bollyn, Solving 9-11, p. 278-280).

200 explosives expert spies

Few people, even among the 9/11 Truthers, know the story of "the dancing Israelis" (we are still waiting, for example, for the Reopen 9/11 Association to talk about it on its Francophone site, though they are very sharp on all other aspects of the case). Also, few people know that at the time of the attacks, the U.S. federal police were busy dismantling the largest Israeli spy network ever identified on US soilIn March 2001, the National Counterintelligence Center (NACIC) posted this message on its website: "During the past six weeks, employees of federal offices located throughout the United States have reported suspicious activities related to individuals posing as foreign students selling or delivering artwork." The NACIC specifies that these individuals, citizens of Israel, "also went to private homes of federal officials under the guise of selling art objects [13]."

Then in the summer, the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), after being targeted by a large number of such incidents, compiled a report which was revealed to the public by the Washington Post on November 23, 2001, and in The World on March 14, 2002, before being made fully accessible by the French magazine Intelligence Online. This report lists 140 Israelis arrested since March 2001. Aged between 20 and 30 years and organized into teams of 4 to 8 members, they visited at least "36 sensitive sites in the Department of Defense." Many of them were identified as members of the Mossad and Aman (Israeli military intelligence), and six were in possession of phones paid for by a former Israeli vice consul. Sixty arrests occurred after September 11, bringing to 200 the number of Israeli spies arrested. All were eventually released.


Michael Chertoff, an Israeli citizen, the son of an Orthodox rabbi and a pioneer of the Mossad, headed the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice in 2001, and as such was responsible for the retention and destruction of all evidence regarding the 11th of September – from Pentagon cameras to World Trade Center beams. It is to him also that the "dancing Israelis" owe their discreet repatriation. In 2003, he was appointed to head the new Department of Homeland Security in charge of counter-terrorism on U.S. territory, which allows him to control dissent while continuing to restrict access to the file of Sept. 11 through the law of Sensitive Security Information.

The DEA report concluded that "the nature of the behavior of these individuals [...] leads us to believe that the incidents are perhaps intelligence gathering [14]." But the nature of the information collected remains unknown. It may be that in fact espionage was just a secondary cover—an undergarment—of these Israeli art students, considering the military training received by some as demolition explosive ordnance expert, combat engineer, bomb disposal expert, electronic signal intercept operator, according to the DEA. One of the arrested agents, Peer Segalovitz, "acknowledged that he was capable of making buildings, bridges and cars explode, and anything he wanted [15]." Why would these Israeli agents have diverted attention from their real mission in a campaign of espionage as ostentatious as unproductive curiously focusing on the Drug Enforcement Agency? The answer to this question is suggested by a disturbing geographical link between this network and the attacks of September 11.

According to the DEA report, "The Hollywood community in Florida seems to have been the focal point of these individuals [16]." In fact, more than thirty of the fake Israeli student spies arrested shortly before September 11 lived in or near the city of Hollywood, Florida, precisely where 15 of the 19 alleged Islamist hijackers had regrouped (9 in Hollywood proper and 6 others nearby). One of them, Hanan Serfaty, through whom at least one hundred thousand dollars transited in three months, had rented two Hollywood apartments close to the apartment and post office box rented by Mohamed Atta, who was presented to us as the leader of the gang of hijackers. What was the relationship between the "Israeli spies" and the "Islamic terrorists?" According to the embarrassed explanation by the aligned media, the former were just monitoring the latter
. Listen for example to David Pujadas introducing the Intelligence Online article televised March 5, 2002 on France 2: "More about Israel, but specifically concerning Afghanistan now, this espionage affaire is troubling: an Israeli network was dismantled in the United States, particularly in Florida: one of its missions was to track the men of Al-Qaeda (this was before September 11). Some sources go even further: they indicate that the Mossad may not have shared all the information in its possession." This euphemistic explanation is an example of damage control. Israel appears barely tainted, since we can not reasonably blame a spy service for not sharing information. At worst, Israel can be accused of having "let it happen", which guarantees impunity. This explains, in my opinion, the sub-secondary cover of the spies-as-fake-Israeli-students, actually experts at false flag attacks. In fact, the students’ deliberately frail cover was made to draw attention to their secondary cover, that of spies, which would serve as an alibi for their proximity to the alleged pirates.







Why does Pujadas (propelled to France 2 television news just a week before September 11) mention Afghanistan, which has nothing to do with the information being introduced? The slip can only be deliberate and illustrates "the great taboo" which Hicham Hamza alludes to: never mention September 11 and Israel in the same sentence.

The truth is that they were probably not spying on the pirates, but that they manipulated them, financed them, and probably likely eliminated them shortly before September 11. An article in the New York Times of February 18, 2009 established that Ali al-Jarrah, cousin of a suspected Flight 93 pirate, Ziad al-Jarrah, had been a spy for the Mossad for 25 years, infiltrating the Palestinian resistance and Hezbollah in 1983. He is currently in prison in Lebanon. Let’s also recall that the Mohamed Atta in Florida was a fake. The real Mohamed Atta, who called his father after the attacks (as last confirmed by the German magazine Bild am Sonntag in late 2002), is described by his family as reserved, pious, avoiding women and having a fear of planesHe had his passport stolen in 1999 while studying architecture in Hamburg. The false Mohamed Atta in Florida was living with a stripper, ate pork, loved fast cars, casinos and cocaine. As reported by the South Florida Sun-Sentinel on September 16, "The suspects’ actions do not add up." As also reported by many national newspapers, this Atta got drunk, drugged and paid for the services of several prostitutes in the weeks and days before the September 11 attacks, and four other suicide bombers had similar behavior incompatible with Islamists preparing for death [17].

The New York Network

According to the renegade agent, Victor Ostrovsky (By Way of Deception, 1990), the Mossad draws its effectiveness from its international network of sayanim ("collaborators"), the Hebrew term designating Jews living outside Israel and ready to perform illegal actions on demand, without necessarily knowing their ultimate purpose. They number in the thousands in the United States, particularly in New York, where the U.S. Jewish community is concentrated. Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder of the Twin Towers as of April 2001, appears as the archetype of a September 11 sayan. He is a leading member of the United Jewish Appeal/Federation of Jewish Philanthropies of New York, the largest U.S. fund raiser for Israel (after the U.S. government, which pays annually three billion in aid to Israel). Silverstein was also at the time of the attacks, the intimate friend of Ariel Sharon and Benjamin Netanyahu, with whom he was in conversation every Sunday, according to the Israeli newspaper HaaretzSilverstein’s partner for the mall basement in the lease of the WTC was Frank Lowy, another Zionist "philanthropist" close to Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert, former member of the Haganah. The head of the New York Port Authority, which privatized the WTC, granting the lease to Silverstein and Lowy was Lewis Eisenberg, also a member of the United Jewish Appeal Federation and former vice president of AIPAC. Silverstein, Lowy and Eisenberg were undoubtedly three key men in the planning of the attacks against the Twin Towers.







Lucky Larry! Every morning, without exception, Larry Silverstein took his breakfast at Windows on the World atop the north tower of the WTC. Until the morning of September 11, when he had an appointment with a dermatologist.

Other members of the New York-based network can be identified. According to the NIST report, the Boeing that crashed into the North Tower "cut a gash that was over half the width of the building and extended from the 93rd floor to the 99th floor. All but the lowest of these floors were occupied by Marsh & McLennan, a worldwide insurance company, which also occupied the 100th floor [18]." The CEO of Marsh & McLennan was then Jeffrey Greenberg, a member of a wealthy Jewish family that contributed heavily to the campaign of George W. Bush. Greenberg was also the insurer of the twin towers and on July 24, 2001they had taken the precaution of reinsuring their contracts with competitors who had to indemnify Silverstein and Lowy. And as the world of the neocons is small, in November 2000, the Board of Directors of Marsh & McLennan welcomed Paul Bremer, President of the National Commission on Terrorism at the time of the attacks, and appointed as the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in 2003.







Paul Bremer appeared on September 11, 2001 on the set of NBC, calm and relaxed, while 400 employees of his company are missing (in the end, 295 employees and more than 60 of the group’s associates were to be officially counted among the victims).

Complicity must also be sought in airports and airlines involved in the attacks. Both airports from which flights AA11, UA175 and UA93 took off (Logan Airport in Boston and Newark Airport near New York) subcontracted their security to International Consultants on Targeted Security (ICTS), a firm financed through Israel and headed by Menachem Atzmon, a treasurer of the Likud. A thorough investigation would certainly lead to other accomplices. Such an investigation should, for example, focus on Zim Israel Navigational, a giant maritime shipping outfit 48% held by the Jewish state (known to occasionally be used as a cover for the Israeli secret service), the US head of which left his offices at WTC with his 200 employees Sept. 4, 2001, one week before the attacks - "Like an act of God [19] - commented the CEO Shaul Cohen-Mintz.

It’s the oil, stupid!

All these facts give a new meaning to the words of Bob Graham, a member of the September 11 Commission, who, in an interview with PBS in December 2002, cited "evidence that foreign governments contributed to facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States [20]." Graham, of course, was referring to Saudi Arabia. Why would the Saud family have helped Osama bin Laden, after having deprived him of his Saudi nationality and put a price on his head for his attacks on their soil? Graham’s response, made in July 2011, is "the threat of civil unrest led by Al-Qaeda against the monarchy [21]." The Saudis supposedly helped Bin Laden under his threat of fomenting a revolution. This ridiculous theory (that Graham, short on arguments, developed into a novel) [22]. has only one goal: to divert suspicion away from the only "foreign government" whose links with the alleged terrorists are demonstrated, Israel, towards its enemy, Saudi Arabia. We smile similarly when reading the summary of the book The War After (2003) by the anti-Saudi Laurent Murawiec that "The royal power [Saudi] has succeeded over the years to infiltrate agents of influence at the highest levels of the U.S. administration and to organize an effective intellectual lobby that now controls several universities among the country’s most prestigious [23]. "

In asserting further that the Saudi track was stifled because of the friendship between the Bush and Saudi families, Graham and his friends use neoconservative George W. Bush as a fuse or lightning rod. The strategy paid off since the 9/11 Truth movement as a whole barks against him and balks at pronouncing the name of Israel. One can recognize the art of Machiavelli: have the dirty work done by another, and then lead the mob against him.


As I have shown elsewhere, a more appropriate term for the "neo-conservatives" would be "machiavelo-Zionists." Michael Ledeen gives proof of this in an article in the Jewish World Review (June 7, 1999) where he defends the thesis that Machiavelli was "secretly Jewish" as at the time were thousands of families nominally converted to Catholicism under threat of expulsion (mainly Marranos from the Iberian Peninsula). "Listen to his political philosophy and you will hear Jewish music ". By definition, Machiavellianism advances masked by virtuous speech (ie the human-rightist), but a growing number of Zionists overtly espouse it: Another example is the book by Obadiah Shoher, "Samson Blinded: A Machiavellian Perspective on the Middle East Conflict."

The day when, under pressure from public opinion, the mainstream media will be forced to abandon the official theory, the protest movement will have been thoroughly infiltrated and the "9/11 is an inside job" slogan will have prepared public sentiment for an outcry against Bush, Cheney and others, while neoconservatives remain immune from justice. And if, by misfortune, the day of the great unravelling, media zionists fail to keep Israel beyond the reach of justice, the Jewish state can always play the Chomsky card: America made me do it. Noam Chomsky [24], who camps on the far left since the Trotskyist Irving Kristol veered to the extreme right to form the neoconservative movement, continues in effect to relentlessly push the hackneyed argument that Israel is merely carrying out the will of the United States, as its de facto 51st state and the policeman in the Middle East.

According to Chomsky and hyped radical U.S. left personalities such as Michael Moore, the destabilization of the Middle East is Washington’s strategy prior to being that of Tel Aviv. The Iraq war? For oil of course: "Of course it was Iraq’s energy resources. It’s not even a question [25]." Sign of the times, here Chomsky has Alan Greenspan, head of the Federal Reserve, joining in the chorus. In his book, The age of turbulence (2007) Greenspan pretends to concede "what everyone knows: one of the major factors in the war in Iraq was oil in the region."


"I personally believe that there is a deep connection between the events of September 11 and peak oil, but it’s not something I can prove," states Richard Heinberg, expert on energy depletion, in the documentary “Oil, Smoke and Mirrors”. Might as well say that the thesis arises from irrational faith.

To this we must respond in unison with James Petras (Zionism, Militarism and the Decline of U.S. Power), Stephen Sniegoski (The Transparent Cabal) and Jonathan Cook (Israel and the Clash of Civilizations): "Not only did Big Oil not encourage the invasion, it did not even manage to control a single oil well, despite the presence of 160,000 U.S. troops, 127,000 mercenaries paid by the Pentagon and the State Department, and a corrupt puppet government [26]." No, the oil does not explain the war in Iraq, nor does it explain the war in Afghanistan, nor does it explain the assault on Syria by surrogate mercenaries, no more than it explains the planned war against Iran. And it is certainly not the oil lobby that has the power to impose the "great taboo" over the entire media sphere (from Marianne to Echoes, in the case of France).

The Israeli culture of false flag terror

A reminder is needed here to better situate September 11 in history. Americans have a long history of manufacturing false pretenses for war. We could go back to 1845 with the expansionist war against Mexico, triggered by U.S. provocations on the disputed area on the border with Texas (the Nueces River in Mexico, the Rio Grande for Texans) until clashes offered President James Polk (a Texan) the opportunity to declare that the Mexicans “spilled American blood on American soil." After the war, a member by the name of Abraham Lincoln had Congress admit the falsity of the casus belli. Thereafter, all the wars waged by the United States have been under false pretenses: the explosion of the USS Maine for the war against Spain in Cuba, the sinking of the Lusitania for entry into the First World War World, Pearl Harbor for the second, and the Gulf of Tonkin for the burning down of North Vietnam. However, only the explosion of the USS Maine, which caused few deaths, falls into the category of a false flag ploy; although it is still not completely clear.


The transatlantic liner RMS Lusitania was torpedoed May 7, 1915 by the Germans, while operating in a war zone. Remember the Lusitania is the slogan that President Woodrow Wilson used in mobilizing public opinion in favor of U.S. entry into the war. The fact that only one torpedo was enough to sink the ship in fifteen minutes raises questions. In his paper, Mendel Edward House, Wilson’s adviser, reports a conversation he had shortly before with the British Foreign Minister Edward Grey (later in 1919 ambassador to the United States). "What would the Americans do if the Germans sank a transatlantic liner with American passengers on board?" Grey asked. House replied: "I think a fire of indignation would sweep the United States and that would be enough to get us into war."

However, it is a fact that Israel has a heavy past and great expertise in false flag attacks. A world history of this strategy would probably have to devote half of its pages to Israel, though it is the youngest of modern nationsThe mould was cast even before the creation of Israel, with the bombing of King David Hotel, the headquarters of the British authorities in Jerusalem. On the morning of July 22, 1946, six terrorists of Irgun (the terrorist militia commanded by Menachem Begin, the future Prime Minister) dressed as Arabs entered and deposited 225 kg of TNT hidden in milk cans around the central pillar of the building, while others planted explosives along the access roads to the hotel to prevent the arrival of first responders. When a British officer became suspicious, a gunfight broke out in the hotel and members of the commando fled after detonating the devices. The explosion killed 91 people, mostly British, but also 15 Jews.

The strategem was repeated in Egypt during the summer of 1954, with Operation Susannah, whose aim was to thwart the British withdrawal from the Suez Canal required by Gamal Abdul Nasser with support from President Eisenhower. This also went stale and is known as the "Lavon Affair", named after the Israeli prime minister who was held responsible.The most famous and most calamitous of the Israeli false flag attacks was that on the American NSA ship USS Liberty, June 8, 1967 off the coast of Egypt, two days before the end of the Six Day War; we see already a deep collaboration between Israel and the U.S. The Johnson administration had covered up and perhaps even encouraged this crime against its own engineers and soldiers. I evoked these two cases in a previous article and will not go over them again here. [27]

In 1986, the Mossad tried to make believe that a series of terrorist orders were transmitted from Libya to various Libyan embassies around the world. According to former agent Victor Ostrovsky (By Way of Deception, 1990), the Mossad used a special communication system, labeled "Trojan Horse," established by commandos inside enemy territory. The system acts as a relay station for false transmissions sent from an Israeli ship and immediately reissued on a frequency used by the Libyan state. As the Mossad had hoped, the NSA caught and deciphered the transmissions, which were interpreted as evidence that the Libyans supported terrorism, reports that Mossad came opportunely to confirm. Israel relied on Reagan’s promise of retaliation against any country caught in the act of supporting terrorism. The Americans fell into the trap and dragged with them the British and the Germans:April 14, 1986, one hundred and sixty U.S. aircraft dropped over sixty tons of bombs on Libya, targeting mainly airports and military basesAmong the civilian casualties on the Libyan side was Gaddafi’s adopted daughter, aged four. The strike torpedoed a deal for the release of US hostages held in Lebanon, allowing Hezbollah to continue as public enemy number one in the eyes of the West.


Isser Harel, founder of the Israeli secret service, would have predicted to the Christian Zionist Michael Evans in 1980 that Islamic terrorism would eventually hit the USA. "In Islamic theology, the phallic symbol is very important. Your biggest phallic symbol is New York City and its tallest building will be the phallic symbol they will hit. "In reporting this exchange in a 2004 interview, Evans, author of "The American Prophecies, Terrorism and Mid-East Conflict Reveal a Nation’s Destiny", hopes to elevate Harel to prophet. Rational minds will see the indication rather that September 11 matured for 30 years in the deep state of Israel.

The manipulating capacity of the Mossad at the time can be further illustrated by two stories analyzed by Thomas Gordon. On April 17, 1986 a young Irish woman named Ann-Marie Murphy unknowingly carried 1.5 pounds of Semtex on board a flight from London to Tel Aviv. Her fiancé, a Pakistani named Nezar Hindawi, was arrested while trying to flee to the Syrian Embassy. Both were actually manipulated by the Mossad, which achieved the desired result: the Thatcher government broke off diplomatic relations with Syria. But the manipulation was exposed in high places (as Jacques Chirac later told the Washington Times) [28]

In January 1987, the Palestinian Ismail Sowan, a Mossad mole who infiltrated the PLO in London, is given two suitcases packed with weapons and explosives by an unknown person supposedly sent by his PLO chief. Ismail reveals this to his Mossad contacts, who send him on a trip to Tel Aviv, then denounce him to Scotland Yard as a suspect in an Islamist attack in London. Ismail is picked up on his return to Heathrow Airport and charged on the basis of weapons found at his home. Result: the Mossad gains the favors of the Thatcher government [29]. After the February 26, 1993, attack against the WTC, the FBI arrested the Palestinian Ahmed Ajaj and identified him as a terrorist linked to Hamas, but the Israeli newspaper Kol Ha’ir showed that qu’Ajaj had never been involved with Hamas or the PLOAccording to journalist Robert Friedman, author of an article in The Village Voice, August 3, 1993, Ajaj was actually a petty crook arrested in 1988 for forging dollars, sentenced to two and a half years in prison and released after a year following a deal with the Mossad, for whom he had infiltrated Palestinian groups. Upon his release, Ajaj undergoes a classic sheep-dipping by being briefly imprisoned again, this time for trying to smuggle weapons for Fatah in the West BankWe have therefore, with the bombing of the WTC in 1993 a prototype for September 11, in which are demonstrated Israel’s responsibility for terrorism and its willingness to have Palestinians accused.


The attack against the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires in 1992, which caused 29 dead and 242 wounded, was instantly blamed on Hezbollah suicide bombers who used a truck bomb. But the judge in charge of the investigation revealed pressures from the US and Israeli delegates and manipulation of evidence and false testimony to lean the investigation toward the theory of a truck bomb, while facts indicated that the explosion came from inside the building. When the Argentine Supreme Court upheld this argument, the spokesman of the Israeli embassy accused the judges of anti-Semitism.

It is interesting to recall what was written by Philip Zelikow with John Deutch in December 1998 in an article in Foreign Affairs entitled "Catastrophic Terrorism," positing that the bomb used in the 1993 attack was nuclear, and already evoking a new Pearl Harbor: "An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America’s history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans’ fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse. […] Like Pearl Harbor, the event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with draconian measures scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects and use of deadly force [30]."

On 12 January 12, 2000, according to the Indian newspaper The Week, Indian intelligence officers arrested eleven Islamist preachers who were preparing to board a flight to Bangladesh at Calcutta airport. They were suspected of belonging to Al-Qaeda and wanting to hijack the plane. They presented themselves as Afghans who had stayed in Iran before spending two months in India to preach Islam. But it was found that they all had Israeli passports. The Indian intelligence officer told The Week that Tel Aviv "exerted considerable pressure" on Delhi to secure their release.

On 12 October 12, 2000, in the final weeks of Clinton’s term of office, the USS Cole, en route to the Persian Gulf, was ordered by its homeport of Norfolk to refuel in the port of Aden in Yemen, an unusual procedure since these destroyers are generally supplied by a Navy tanker at sea. The captain of the ship expressed his surprise and concern: the USS Cole had recently filled up at the entrance of the Suez Canal, and Yemen is a hostile area. The USS Cole was executing docking maneuvers when she was approached by a dinghy apparently for the removal of garbage, which exploded against the hull, killing 17 sailors and wounding 50. The two "suicide bombers" driving the boat also perished in this "suicide". The attack was immediately attributed to Al-Qaeda, although bin Laden denied responsibility and the Taliban denied that their "host" could have been involved. The accusation gave the United States a pretext to force the Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh to cooperate in the fight against anti-imperialist Islamism, closing for starters three paramilitary camps on its territory. On top of that, a few weeks before the elections, the attack was the October Surprise that brought Bush to power.

John O’Neill was in charge of the investigation. A twenty year veteran of the FBI, and experienced specialist in counter-terrorism, he had investigated the bombing at the WTC in 1993. His team came to suspect that Israel had fired a missile from a submarine: the hole was indeed indicative of a penetrating charge and inexplicable by the explosion of one dinghy. The suspicions were shared by President Saleh, who spoke in an interview with Newsweek, of the possibility that the attack was due to Israel, "trying to spoil the US-Yemeni relationship [31]." O’Neill and his team suffered the hostility of U.S. Ambassador Barbara Bodine. They were kept from diving in order to inspect the damage. Finally, taking advantage of their return to New York for Thanksgiving, Bodine refused them re-entry to Yemen. The crew of the Cole were put under a gag order forbidding then to talk about the attack to anyone other than the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS). In July 2001, O’Neill resigned from the FBI. He was soon after offered a position as head of security at the WTC starting on September 11, 2001. His body was found in the rubble of the WTC after he had disappeared for two days. As for Barbara Bodine, in 2003 she joined the corrupt team of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Baghdad.


Where does the list of Zionist-designed fake Islamic terrorism end? The "New York Times" and other newspapers reported that on September 19, 2005, two agents of the British Special Forces (SAS) were arrested after forcing a road block in a car filled with weapons, ammunition, explosives and detonators which they drove disguised as Arabs. It is suspected that they were planning to commit violent attacks in the center of Basra during a religious event, to stir up conflict between Shiites and Sunnis. The same evening, a SAS unit freed the two agents by destroying the prison with a dozen tanks assisted by helicopters. Captain Masters, charged with the investigation of this embarrassing affair, died in Basra on October 15.

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Britain and 9-11: Sir David Manning was in Washington on 9 11

John Scarlett took over as chairman of the UK's Joint Intelligence Committee a few days before 9/11.

On 31 July the Times disclosed that Sir David Manning was in the United States on Sept 11.

The Guardian described Manning as Britain's 'national security adviser'.

The BBC said that Manning was "head of the cabinet office defence and overseas secretariat" and was already "well known and respected in the White House".

Manning, like Jack Straw, is believed to be of Jewish origin.

Manning met with Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage on September 10th.

Armitage allegedly has been involved in covert operations with the CIA, 'including illegal arms and drug running on behalf of the US government'.

A report by the US National Bureau of Asian Research cites an article in the Washington Times 28 July 1997 which lists Armitage, along with Dick Cheney, as having business or consulting interests in the Caspian zone.

General Mahmoud, the head of Pakistan's intelligence services, the ISI, 'happened' (according to the BBC) to be in Washington at the same time as Sir David Manning.

The head of the ISI is a Pakistani appointment which, by treaty, requires the approval of the CIA. In effect the post is a CIA appointment.

According to the Times of India 9 October, Mahmoud had ordered Ahmad Omar Sheikh to send $100,000 to Mohammad Atta, sometime prior to 9 11.

Mahmoud was meeting with the CIA and senior members of the Bush administration immediately before, during and after the 9 11 attacks.

As the Times of India put it: "A direct link between the ISI and the WTC attacks could have enormous repercussions."

The Mail on Sunday 14 October 2001 confirms that: "Condoleeza Rice, a key member of the Bush war cabinet, is in regular contact with Sir David Manning, Blair's National Security Adviser.... It is Manning, Campbell and Blair's chief of staff, Jonathan Powell, who are seen as the Prime Minister's real war cabinet."

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Posted by susie on 09/12/2015
SEISMIC IMPACT FOR WTC 1 (110-stories, 500,000 tons): Local Magnitude (ML) 2.3 -- without p-wave or s-wave
SEISMIC IMPACT FOR WTC 2 (110-stories, 500,000 tons): Local Magnitude (ML) 2.1 -- without p-wave or s-wave
SEISMIC IMPACT FOR WTC 7 (47-stories, 230,000 tons): Local Magnitude (ML) 0.6 -- without p-wave or s-wave
A 0.6 seismic reading can be referred to as a "microearthquake" and is of such a low magnitude that it is indiscernible from natural tectonic origins. How can a 47-story building be destroyed and leave a seismic signal that is not distinct from natural causes?
www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/Eq/20010911_WTC/WTC_LDEO_KIM.pdf
www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/Eq/20010911_WTC/fact_sheet.htm
*For comparison: Seismic Impact for Seattle Kingdome Collapse (130,000 tons): Local Magnitude (ML) 2.3 -- with p-wave and s-wave
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Dr. Wood's Request for Corrections (RFC) to NIST (March 16, 2007): drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/NIST_Wood_RFC.html
Dr. Wood's Appeal to the NIST's Response (August 22, 2007): drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/NIST_WoodAppeal.html
Subsequent Qui Tam case (October 20, 2009): www.drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.shtml
Plaintiff's Motion for Reconsideration per F.R. Civ. P59(e) and Local Rule 6.3, Sttorney Jerry V. Leaphart (July 11, 2008): www.drjudywood.com/pdf/080711_Wood_07CV3314_103.pdf






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Posted by susie on 09/14/2015
(This post was removed by Facistbook 5x this morning in 4 groups and his personal page. This is a friend who is close with Dr Wood.)


Why does AE911Truth call on the US government to initiate an investigation of the destruction of seven World Trade Center buildings on 9/11/01? Why does a group consisting of 2,300 architects and engineers seem to obviate their responsibility to produce a forensic study? Why have they done this for the 8 years of the organization's existence? Who would conduct such an investigation?

Richard Gage has no defense for being ignorant of the seismic evidence pertaining to the destruction of WTC 1, 2 and 7. He has purchased Dr. Wood's book from Matthew Naus. He certainly has the ability to obtain and understand the seismic evidence, as I have done in my video entitled "9/11 & Seismic Evidence:" 







Ignorance is not an excuse for Mr. Gage.

SEISMIC IMPACT FOR WTC 1 (110-stories, 500,000 tons):
Local Magnitude (ML) 2.3 -- without p-wave or s-wave
SEISMIC IMPACT FOR WTC 2 (110-stories, 500,000 tons):
Local Magnitude (ML) 2.1 -- without p-wave or s-wave
SEISMIC IMPACT FOR WTC 7 (47-stories, 230,000 tons):
Local Magnitude (ML) 0.6 -- without p-wave or s-wave

Dr. Wood has explained the implications of seismic evidence here:







LESSON IN CRITICAL THINKING: Empirical data has nothing to do with belief. It speaks for itself.

For a forensic study of what happened to seven World Trade Center buildings on September 11, 2001, read the book "Where Did The Towers Go? Evidence of Directed Free-Energy Technology on 9/11" by Dr. Judy Wood, a structural engineer with a Ph.D. in Materials Engineering Science and expertise in experimental stress analysis, engineering mechanics and strength of materials testing. wheredidthetowersgo.com/buy/
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As a side note, we find the first appearance of "ae911truth.org" on April 6, 2007(http://web.archive.org/web/20070406180327/http://ae911truth.org/) about one month after Dr. Wood's site,DrJudyWood.com/, came online on March 3, 2007: web.archive.org/web/20070303091432/http://www.drjudywood.com/)

Interesting "coincidence."

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9-11 and the Hutchinson Effect

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Posted by susie on 09/18/2015
Steve Rannazzisi, Comedian Who Told of 9/11 Escape, Admits He Lied

Steve Rannazzisi, during a panel for the “The League” in August, apologized on Tuesday for fabricating a story about escaping from the south tower of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.
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When the comedian Steve Rannazzisi has explained his success, which includes seven seasons starring on a popular TV show, “The League,” and a one-hour special this Saturday on Comedy Central, he has frequently attributed it to decisions he made after narrowly escaping the World Trade Center attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

In elaborate detail, Mr. Rannazzisi, 37, has described working at Merrill Lynch’s offices on the 54th floor of the south tower when the first plane struck the north tower.

“I was there and then the first tower got hit and we were like jostled all over the place,” he told an interviewer in 2009.

He fled to the street just minutes before another plane slammed into his building, he said, and decided that very day that life was too precious to waste opportunities. So he abandoned his New York desk job to pursue a career as an entertainer in Los Angeles.

Nonetheless, he said, he remained affected by his memories of that day.

“I still have dreams of like, you know, those falling dreams,” he told the interviewer.

Confronted by The New York Times this week, though, with evidence that undermined his account, Mr. Rannazzisi, after a day of deliberation, acknowledged on Tuesday that his account was fiction. Actually, he had been working in Midtown that day, and not for Merrill Lynch, which has no record of his employment and had no offices in either tower.


“I was not at the Trade Center on that day,” he said in a statement provided by his publicist, Matthew Labov. “I don’t know why I said this. This was inexcusable. I am truly, truly sorry.”

It was unclear how Mr. Rannazzisi’s admission might affect his standing with Buffalo Wild Wings, which had made him the face of an ad campaign associated with the start of this N.F.L. season and which had featured him in commercials last spring for March Madness.

“We are disappointed to learn of Steve’s misrepresentations regarding the events of September 11, 2001,” Buffalo Wild Wings said in a statement Tuesday night. “We are currently re-evaluating our relationship with Steve pending a review of all the facts.” Comedy Central expressed similar disappointment and said it too had not decided its next step.

But FX Networks, whose FXX carries “The League,” said that while Mr. Rannazzi’s deception had been “upsetting” and “unfortunate,” it still would go forward with him as a character in the show’s final season. It has produced 11 of the 13 episodes, and production of the final two is not expected to be completed until mid-October. “We believe Steve is sincere in his apology and will do everything he can to make amends moving forward,” the network said in a statement.

Mr. Rannazzisi, who declined requests for an interview, said in his statement that once he had lied, he could not figure out a way to undo the damage.

“For many years, more than anything,” he said, “I have wished that, with silence, I could somehow erase a story told by an immature young man. It only made me more ashamed. How could I tell my children to be honest when I hadn’t come clean about this?”

His interviews, though, several of which remain posted on the Internet, show that a decade after the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. Rannazzisi was still relating a harrowing experience. In a 2011 interview on the podcast “Sklarbro Country,” Mr. Rannazzisi said that he had gotten a good severance package from Merrill Lynch and that he clearly understood that Sept. 11 was a sensitive topic. “I’ve spoken about it before,” he said. “I just don’t ever want to feel like, anyone, I am cashing in or anything like that.”

Mr. Rannazzisi, who is originally from Long Island, is far from the first person whose Sept. 11 account has been exaggerated or, as is the case here, false. The most startling example was a Spanish woman, Alicia Esteve Head, who went by the name Tania Head. She joined the World Trade Center Survivors’ Network support group and went on to become its president, but her story of escape from the 78th floor of the south tower was fabricated. She was believed to be in Barcelona, Spain, on Sept. 11.

Her rationale for suggesting she was there remains no clearer than Mr. Rannazzisi’s. But what is clear is that, since he moved to Los Angeles shortly after the attacks, with his girlfriend, now his wife, his profile has risen steadily. In 2003, he was noticed by the actor Ashton Kutcher, who gave him his first TV role, as a cast member on MTV’s “Punk’d,” according to Mr. Rannazzisi’s website.

From there, Mr. Rannazzisi was cast in several movies and TV sitcoms, including “The League,” about the high jinks of friends in a fantasy football league, where he has played Kevin MacArthur, an assistant district attorney and commissioner of the league.

In 2013, he got a standup special, “Steve Rannazzisi: Manchild” on Comedy Central, the network that helped start the careers of Jon Stewart and Amy Schumer. On Saturday, Mr. Rannazzisi’s new special, “Breaking Dad,” is scheduled to debut on that network.

Many of these milestones are recounted on his website, steverannazzisi.com, though it also incorrectly reported until Wednesday that he was a graduate of the State University of New York at Purchase, a college with a noted reputation in the performing arts. Mr. Rannazzisi is actually a graduate of SUNY Oneonta, where he majored in communications, according to Mr. Labov, who described the discrepancy as an oversight. On Wednesday, the website dropped Mr. Rannazzisi’s affiliation with the Purchase school, describing him now as a SUNY graduate who had majored in theater and film.


As for his Sept. 11 account, Mr. Rannazzisi gave a detailed version to the comedian Marc Maron on his podcast in December 2009, saying he had worked as an account manager for Merrill for a year and a half and had been watching from the street when the second plane struck.

“I couldn’t tell exactly where it went in,” Mr. Rannazzisi said. “So, I called up to the office, and it was pandemonium. They were like, ‘We are on our way down, we are on our way down.’ ”

Mr. Rannazzisi had noted in some interviews that his girlfriend also worked in the south tower on Sept. 11 on the 24th floor but said she had been delayed and never made it to the building. (Actually, Mr. Rannazzisi got that wrong as well. Mr. Labov said on Tuesday that Mrs. Rannazzisi was scheduled to work as a temp on Sept. 11, but in the World Financial Center, nearby, not in the south tower.) When they both got home, he said on the podcast, they decided they would move to Los Angeles.

“We went up to the roof of our building, we smoked a joint and then decided we are going to leave,” he said.

Mr. Rannazzisi gave a similar account on the TV special “Pauly Shore & Friends” in 2009.

Mr. Rannazzisi, sitting on a couch in his home next to his wife who was cradling their baby, told Mr. Shore that the attacks had forced the couple to re-evaluate their lives.

“We decided that we were moving,” he said. “We were like: ‘You know what? I am going to do what I want to do now.’ I wasn’t doing a lot of comedy. I wasn’t doing lot of acting, what I went to school for.”

In recent years, Mr. Rannazzisi played down his account. In a 2013 radio interview on “The Don Geronimo Show,” he corrected the interviewer who suggested he had been in the south tower on Sept. 11.

“I was outside, really,” he said. “I was working downtown at that time.”

That rollback story was also off, but Mr. Rannazzisi sounded contrite on Tuesday in the statement he released about his 9/11 fabrications.

“It was profoundly disrespectful to those who perished and those who lost loved ones,” he said. “The stupidity and guilt I have felt for many years has not abated. It was an early taste of having a public persona, and I made a terrible mistake. All I can ask is for forgiveness.”

One cast member from “The League,” Katie Aselton, came to his defense on Wednesday, suggesting on her Twitter account that Mr. Rannazzisi was a comedian, not a politician, who had made a mistake.

“I love @steverannazzisi and my heart goes out to him & his family,” she wrote. “And my heart goes out to everyone he may have hurt. This sucks all around.”



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Posted by susie on 09/21/2015


Rumsfeld and Myers Asked About Directed Energy Weapons (2003):








At a press conference in 2003, General Richard Myers and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld get very nervous and stammer when questioned about Directed Energy Weapons:
Question: "Mr. Secretary, can I ask you a question about some of the technology that you're developing to fight the war on terrorists, specifically directed energy and high-powered microwave technology? When do you envision that you can weaponize that type of technology?"
Answer: "In the normal order of things, when you invest in research and development and begin a developmental project, you don't have any intention or expectations that one would use it. On the other hand, the real world intervenes from time to time, and you reach in there and take something out that is still in a developmental stage, and you might use it." --Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
"Yeah, I think that's the point. And I think we have from the beginning of this conflict… I think General Franks [commander of U.S. forces in Iraq] has been very open to looking at new things, if there are new things available, and has been willing to put them into the fight, even before they've been fully wrung out… And we will continue to do that." --General Richard Myers
Source: www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam7.html#microwaving
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Thanks for posting Susie. This is classic scaremongering; getting a host for the Shill Alex Jones to make us all think that we are going to be attacked like terrorists if we question the Government. 

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How coincidental that it is a part of the Bible which happens to mention retaliation. I wonder if they staged this? 

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