Patricia Steere - Steering the Flat Earth Movement

Post by Admin on Sep 7, 2015

Patricia's first show was quite good, but since then she's had Mark Sargent on, then gone on Sargent's show, now she can't stop talking about how pointing out shills is deleterious to the flat Earth movement:



Mike Lewis claims using the word "shill" is somehow unacceptable and we need to use the word "disinfo agent" to be taken seriously.    Watch the first hour here and you will see how they are clearly aligning themselves against IFERS and subtly calling me a shill BECAUSE we discern and point out shills. At one point Patricia promotes/recommends Crow777 just like her new best buddy Sargent Shill, and just like him, makes the ridiculous claim that she's not even sure the Earth is flat, she's just sure it's not a ball. This is like the shill, ahem "disinfo agent" catch-phrase! "I can only discern it's not a ball, but I can't discern what it actually IS (even though I claim to be a flat Earther and have a flat Earth titled show) ."

Patricia admits to having a Jewish mother and was apparently a radio DJ and talk show host in the 80s and 90s but has recently been living nomadically having a hard time finding a good job, thus she perfectly fits the profile of self-professed shills as seen here.

Post by Admin on Sep 7, 2015

A guy that's been banned from IFERS twice commented on her video: "You should talk about the concave earth. Id like to hear more on the concave earth theory. Still listening though so maybe you talk about it later in the interview"

To which she replied: " I don't know enough about it but may have a guest to discuss it with me eventually. Good idea!"

Patricia Steere is clearly NOT a genuine flat-Earther. She claims to have read my books but still can't figure out the Earth is flat!? "Maybe it's concave, good idea!"... she's just sure it's not a ball. This is shill protocol: Ingratiate yourself into the movement by claiming it's not a ball, but deter neophytes with your wishy-washy idea of what Earth actually IS if not a ball. Meanwhile subtly infer that Eric/IFERS are shilly because they actually have researched and stand for the flat truth instead of wanting to play patty-cake and kumbaya with all the other concave Earthers and fake flat Earthers popping up.

I've also noticed how all the shills want to constantly re-iterate that this is a "leaderless movement." I agree in the sense that any and everyone should be researching and spreading the flat Earth truth, but without solid leaders to direct people towards, the movement becomes useless and impotent - which is of course their plan, and why they're sending in so many shills to muddy the waters, turning the flat Earth keyword into mess of hologram moons, dome-builders, and other non-sense. I think in some ways we do need a leader and that is why I nominated and made myself president of the International Flat Earth Research Society It's not an ego thing as they accuse me of, it just gives people a good, safe, informative place to start their journey back to reality.

Posted by csp on 09/07/2015

Sept 7, 2015 8:28:30 GMT Admin said:
Patricia Steere is clearly NOT a genuine flat-Earther. She claims to have read my books but still can't figure out the Earth is flat!? "Maybe it's concave, good idea!"... she's just sure it's not a ball. This is shill protocol: Ingratiate yourself into the movement by claiming it's not a ball, but deter neophytes with your wishy-washy idea of what Earth actually IS if not a ball. Meanwhile subtly infer that Eric/IFERS are shilly because they actually have researched and stand for the flat truth instead of wanting to play patty-cake and kumbaya with all the other concave Earthers and fake flat Earthers popping up.

Don't let it get to you mate, keep doing your thing - any person that does their research will find their way here, eventually

Posted by marleyites on 09/07/2015

This video: Mike Lewis (who is he anyway?) and Patricia Steere are tag team shills to discredit, mislead and divert the true & valid flat Earth research. I watched the very first of this interview and stopped to write this below.

It's pure mind control propaganda. so far. [I'll write a little, then go back and finish listening then write more.]

Both are hiding behind glasses. Lewis wearing hat. Steere (steering the conversation, nice name choice) is wearing a wig. She has fake lips. They both pronounce "s" as "sh". "shtrong" instead of "strong."

And, notice the trendy black/white combo. It's all the rage these days. Steere is smooth, reminds me of professionally-trained speaker/interviewer.

First, they set it up to gain confidence of other FEers with the vegan / nutrition act. "I'm eating this vegetable stuff. I don't know what it is. Because I peel it, but I know it's zucchini or squash or something." (it's kind of joe roganish in that it portrays trying to do the right thing: "but after all, I'm really just a dummy, can't even figure out what I'm eating" ...)

Then they banter about trolls. Steering us to believe trolls are harmless guys in mom's basement without pants on! [wth?]

Next, comes the "shill" blabout. It's a load of incomprehensible blahblahblah (Lewis gives it a good go on the lipflapping but making no sense).

This nonsense is to change the language (change the reality). "I don't like shill word." "OMG, neither do I." "I like disinfo agent better." "Me too."
Shows consensus, buying into groupthink. spreading groupthink.
Notice how the true definition/understanding of shill, especially as used here at true flat Earth research site, is never mentioned.
It's talked around, buried under real disinfo BS.

... that's a start; I'll finish listening now.

bless. /s/ Marleyites

PS ... Eric, this is more proof that the concept and especially your presentation - is under attack. This is a good sign. It means what you are doing has meaning; enough meaning to assemble an army to combat what you're doing. That may not be very comforting but it is indicia of the truth you speak.

Here's continuation as far as I could get. It's a great exercise in revealing mind control propaganda. My quotes below are not word for word quotations.

Additional notes:

1. one eye in poster above her head.
2. Steere: “it's all about opinions. We all have different opinions ...” [this is designed to reinforce the concept that there really is no “truth” and everything is opinion.]
3. ~ 13:50 “we must be respectful of all flat Earth opinions, even those we don't agree with.” [this is more steering towards discounting facts & dismissing those who don't agree that we need to be respectful of those who ignore facts.]
4. Cognitive dissonance in many places. She says she is flat Earther but doesn't believe in flat Earth?
5. She's very smooth. Well trained.
6. “all the other little lies we're told.” ummm, pretty sure this is NOT a little lie.
7. Lewis: “I would do an interview with a shill”
8. Steere: “me too” why? Why the acceptance of shillery?
9. Lewis: “let me say this, Patricia is not a shill.” then he chuckles. “Im vouching for her; she is not a shill. Trust me.”
10. Steere then steers towards making us believe this is about “beliefs” rather than evidence.
11. 17 minutes in and there is talk of opinions, respecting shills, interviewing shills, everyone has beliefs, on and on. Not one word so far about evaluating evidence.
12. Steere: “a shill will try to steer your belief system in a certain way.” [this is exactly what this tag team has been doing so far.]
13. She talks about how life-changing the flat Earth is, but she doesn't believe in flat Earth. That is cognitive-dissonance creation at its best.
14. Then going on and on about waking people up, teaching our children about it, taking action to spread the word. But but but I thought Steere doesn't believe in flat Earth. She believes in “not a ball” which is NOT the same as believing the Earth is flat plane (which is clearly demonstrated with empirical evidence, presented by Eric Dubay).
15. “shill talk has got to stop as it gets us nowhere. Trolls are always going to be there. No big deal. Sometimes you can feed them if you want...”
16. 25:40 Lewis comes up now, and he gonna play devil's advocate.
17. “we can't be blind to the fact that shills exist” [contradicts what he and she said earlier, but continue, my man …]
18. “because the newcomers to flat Earth will not even know shills exist.” WHAT?
19. Steere: taking the phoney bait: “what if you're wrong.”
20. Everyone nods in agreement. Might be wrong. Can't have that. But but but above, she says everyone gets their opinion. Perhaps can't have opinion about shills. ??? It's very confusing. And so far, no talk about flat Earth evidence.
21. Next, she puts on dummy act. “before I came to flat Earth, I didn't even know what a shill was.” Oh, me, little dummy, not a scientist, not a this. Not a that. Not a clue whata shill is …
22. “wow, that other person I like is being called a shill.” Steering towards “liking” someone as criteria for evaluation? I like people too. But just because I like someone, does not mean their information or research is valid.
23. “everyone is a shill or noone is a shill.”
24. “finger pointing of sorts” then groupthink consensus: yeah yeah
25. Lewis has documentary coming out today which is more important than anything you'll learn in school. [goes on talking about experiments; giving advice to do own experiments]
26. Steere calls children “kids” [traditional joo sacrifice animal, baby goat]
27. Lewis says you can't depend on others research. Have to do it yourself. (that is waste of time to recreate simple experiments that have already been done. Once a fact is proven, time to move on proving other facts. This line of thought is designed to keep people stuck in the obvious.)
28. 31:42. Right after telling us we have to do our own experiments, he tells her to let him know when she sees those red and blue stars because he wants to know what they are. Well, if he wants to know what they are, and he just said you can't depend on others research, why doesn't he just go outside with a scope and figure out what it is? Why does he need her to clue him in on the stars?
29. They have good group chuckle about “they say its the atmosphere” “or gravity” chuckle chuckle, head nod in agreement, nodding yes yes I agree.
[omg, I don't know if I can keep going, this is too much BS]
30. Steeres towards gravity conversation, I'm hoping for some good info, but off into tanget about how people don't even know how fast the Earth spins. Doubletalk. The Earth is not spinning, is it, Steerage?
31. Lewis seems to be the darky yes-man. All nodding and agreeing. Yessah yessah. Dat right. You da boss. Mmhmmm.
32. [well, I'm losing patience with this. I don't see how anyone can stand to listen to these clowns. I better take a break.]

Posted by Admin on 09/07/2015

Great analysis Marleyites, I agree. I've also noticed how all the shills want to constantly re-iterate that this is a "leaderless movement." I agree in the sense that any and everyone should be researching and spreading the flat Earth truth, but without solid leaders to direct people towards, the movement becomes useless and impotent - which is of course their plan, and why they're sending in so many shills to muddy the waters, turning the flat Earth keyword into mess of hologram moons, dome-builders, and other non-sense. I think in some ways we do need a leader and that is why I nominated and made myself president of the International Flat Earth Research Society It's not an ego thing as they accuse me of, it just gives people a good, safe, informative place to start their journey back to reality.

Posted by thinkforyourself on 09/07/2015

Sept 7, 2015 12:59:52 GMT marleyites said:
It's pure mind control propaganda. so far. [I'll write a little, then go back and finish listening then write more.]

Exactly; well said. I always say that the fact that we are attracting Shills is a good thing, because it shows that we are on the right path.

Posted by Lifeone on 09/08/2015

Hi Eric. I can agree that it seems like the key players are aligning themselves against you. I saw Stars Are Souls aka Mike Lewis post here a few times. And some of his research seemed to validate some of yours like the moonlight experiment he did. Its sad to see people go down this road. Are there any FE researchers we can trust anymore?

Posted by Thaneus on 09/08/2015

I feel like she is being insincere. She is saying ´the right´ words, and doing ´the right´ things, but there is something OFF somewhere, some deep insincerity present. I feel like this information, and the implications of it, have not really effected her on a deep level, which it inadvertently does. As a student of therapy and meditation, I say there is a bigger movement/issue happening within her that she is not addressing. Or perhaps she identifies with what I am calling an issue.

Some other notes:

Mike Lewis´ camera happens to accommodate a ´world map´ within its shot (and a table underneath with a sheet tucked over it, indicating that he knew it was going to be within the shot, if that is why it is covered). It may or may not be intentional, but Symbols are very powerful. The ´elite´know that. They speak in symbols. That school-world-map is reinforcement, especially sitting next to the Circle sunglasses covering his eyes.

Patricia Steere happens to be wearing big circle earrings too.

Both people would appeal to a certain type of person. There are women in the flat earth realisation too, and perhaps this has been recognised.

After watching then just listening to the whole conversation, it left me with a confusing-feeling in my chest. Like nothing of any value really took place.

I feel like she is lying... The same that Jeranism does: Even though it appears they are pushing ´the right´things, both come across to me as insincere, and with some agenda or instruction behind them.

Posted by mitch on 09/08/2015

Like what I said in the other thread about this new yt tube channel, the sheer lack integrity and inquiry is palpable and the disingenuous conflation in channel name "flat earth and other hot potatoes" is evocative of some bad disinfotainment TV channel

Posted by thinkforyourself on 09/09/2015

Sept 7, 2015 16:29:27 GMT Lifeone said:
Hi Eric. I can agree that it seems like the key players are aligning themselves against you. I saw Stars Are Souls aka Mike Lewis post here a few times. And some of his research seemed to validate some of yours like the moonlight experiment he did. Its sad to see people go down this road. Are there any FE researchers we can trust anymore?

Basically, you can only trust Eric, and other members of this forum who have proven themselves, although sometimes even supposedly good members turn out to be Shills.

The best thing to do is to remain vigilant, and to think for yourself. Mike Lewis, or Stars-Arseholes as I call him, is definitely a Shill, and he also attacked Eric. I no longer watch any of his disinfo.

Posted by atmo on 09/10/2015

Did you guys see she posted about this thread on Facebook?

www.facebook.com/notes/patricia-steere/hate-wont-help-flat-earth/892272504141443

I was just told there's a whole thread on Eric Dubay's IFERS board dedicated to me. I'm flattered.

The laughable thread mentions I'm in the CIA because my first name has the letters CIA at the end (my parents gave me that first name in 1963). They also said my last name is about "steering" the truth. (Again, my parents gave me that last name in 1963).

They find suspect that in one video I "wore round earrings" and "round glasses". Yes sometimes I wear round earrings. Sometimes square. (I wonder what they will say that wearing square ones means when I do that?) I have glasses in many shapes and some are round. Generally glasses are a roundish shape. I have them so I can see. I am 52 1/2 so need them for fine print.

Those on the IFERS board pointed out that in the room where I record there's a "poster with one eye" behind me. It's a giclee of Jackie Kennedy, with two eyes, but you can only see half her face in the video based on camera angle. It's a famous work of art by Andy Warhol called "Jackie". It's retro pop art not illuminati stuff. Get real.

They also find it suspect that my mom was Jewish (yes and so what? I'm the one who said this openly.) She converted to Christianity before she had me. My family heritage is like many peoples. A mixed bag. I'm
glad I learned about the English, Scottish/Ukranian ancestry of my great grandparents whom I never knew and both sides religious beliefs. We all come from somewhere. It's what we make of our lives today that matters.

They also said I am "too polished a speaker". My dad owned a radio station and I began working for him after high school and then left his business and got many radio jobs on my own in different states. Communicating hasn't ever been a problem for me even before being in radio. Thanks for the compliment.

They mentioned I had "a hard time getting a good job". That's untrue. I am not currently looking for a job. At one point after a radio job ended in the 90's I couldn't find another job in California where I wanted to stay but after six months I decided I must move and took a radio job in another state (Louisiana). During that time no suitable radio jobs were found. I could have taken any old radio job at a station I didn't like but instead held out for something where I felt a connection and my creativity would be best utilized. This is part of my back story. Radio stations are often bought by big companies and everyone is let go and the station changes format. Many people in radio who were trying to move to bigger markets have had similar issues with their career path. Read up on it.

Anyway Eric was there piling on the hate.

I will no longer promote him or his work or defend him in conversations.

However, I will not start belittling him or speaking ill of him (I never have).

I only post this for those who have read his IFERS hit piece on me.

This is my response to Eric and all on IFERS who have contributed to mean spirited finger pointing and spreading lies about me:

"I see you. I don't care what you say. I will never pay any mind to anything you say from now on. I will never speak your name or the name of your group or your books again. I will cease posting your videos as a recommendation for people interested in learning. I will continue to never put you down. That's never been my style. You are simply erased.

Your vitriol creates a toxic atmosphere around you but doesn't affect me. Your hate has only drawn more people (based on intrigue,) to my videos. Thank you. You haven't hurt me. You never will. You've only hurt yourself."

-Patricia Steere of the YouTube channel "Flat Earth And Other Hot Potatoes".

She picked a couple little things, and things that weren't even posted here, to comment on (where did the CIA stuff come from??).

No mention of shills whatsoever, just round glasses and earrings (what??) and one eye in her poster.
Hmmmmmmm.. fishy.

Posted by Thaneus on 09/10/2015

She didn´t mention a few things that were pointed at. Either way, I´m not fazed by her disapproval of what´s going on here. And somethings going on. Eric has been collecting a lot of hate from many sides. and this board in particular.

Posted by gnosticwarrior on 09/10/2015

It looks like more and more unaware people with large followings are becoming co-opted, and the shill-opoly is taking serious shape.

Holy shill.

Posted by thinkforyourself on 09/10/2015

Sept 9, 2015 20:29:33 GMT atmo said:
Did you guys see she posted about this thread on Facebook?

Holy crap, what a crazy bitch! She is outrageously lying, and simply making up any old crap to try and appease her blind and misguided followers.

If the demented old hag thinks that she can have any negative affect on IFERS, then she really is deluded. We will continue to grow larger and larger, and there is nothing that this cockroach can do about it.

Posted by lizardking on 09/10/2015

This bloody freak show is clearly Steering people away from the truth with our alleged 'hit piece' on her. More like shit piece, none of us would ever use that tired and unoriginal material.

Then again, PatriCIA.....

Posted by marleyites on 09/10/2015

I wrote my opinion about what I saw and heard.
I thought we were supposed to respect others' opinions.
Interpreting occult (hidden) symbology, is my opinion.
This is not hate or hateful.
It's an honest opinion about public figures - radio show host and guest.

And, after all these words and this and that, still not one word about flat earth evidence.

This whole thing just reeks of mind control, especially because

it DISTRACTS from reviewing the evidence.

Brainwashed will never see the evidence.
Shills will never admit the evidence.

Ex KGB spy reveals secrets about brainwashing:

Posted by csp on 09/10/2015

Sept 9, 2015 23:44:17 GMT thinkforyourself said:
If the demented old hag thinks that she can have any negative affect on IFERS, then she really is deluded. We will continue to grow larger and larger, and there is nothing that this cockroach can do about it.

Just like moons and like suns,

With the certainty of tides,

Just like hopes springing high,

Still we'll rise.

(slightly modified verse from Maya Angelou's great poem, Still I Rise)

Posted by thinkforyourself on 09/10/2015

Unfortunately, I have been suspicious of him for months now, after he criticised you a while ago.

He really has shown his true colours, and his true identity: 'StarsArseHoles'.

Posted by Thaneus on 09/10/2015

Wow! Stars Are Souls sided! I felt like he was keeping out of things, unsuredly, until the above message.
What do you think spawned him over the edge Eric?

This is ridiculous what is happening within this realisation or sharing of flat earth information. I'm literally laughing on a bus right now! What the hell is happening!

Posted by Admin on 09/10/2015

I'd imagine he heard my conversation with Banazir/Dusty and got upset with all the shill... I mean "disinfo agent" talk:

Posted by hiilikeourbeard on 09/10/2015

I stay so far away from this type of drama these days, and let me say it feels good. Shills are always gonna shill. But they require our energy. Off to positive change!

Posted by Admin on 09/10/2015

That's easy for you to say on the sidelines. I'm also creating "positive change," and that is why the shills and drama have been sent my way. Shills are always gonna shill, you're right, and that's why we need people to take them head on, expose them, and deal with the drama necessary to create truly positive change. Sounds like you've been reading too much The Secret

Posted by thinkforyourself on 09/10/2015

Sept 10, 2015 11:22:51 GMT hiilikeourbeard said:
I stay so far away from this type of drama these days, and let me say it feels good. Shills are always gonna shill. But they require our energy. Off to positive change!

Eric is attracting Shills because he is doing such a good job of scaring the shit out of the NWO, and of spreading the truth. If he didn't crush the Shills, and put them in their place, then their lies may affect his reputation in a negative way.

Remember that truth is far more important than cheap 'positivity' or popularity.

Posted by Jimmy on 09/11/2015

I was shillspicious of StarsAreSouls a few months ago when he started strongly supporting the wizard Math Boyland in his videos. I tried to watch his most recent "documentary" last night and it was a struggle. I found myself pressing "ctrl+right arrow" (VLC media player shortcut for fast forward) throughout the entire documentary. Mostly terrible... I do not recommend watching the documentary.

StarsAreSouls featured Patricia in his crapumentary (my first time seeing her) via Google video chat and she said that she wasn't a rich person at all, but she says she has a full refrigerator of food and we can see 100's of DVDs and a jukebox player in her room. Anyone who can afford to spend $15-30 each on that many meaningless items has a good bit of expendable income. Patricia talks about being vegan to steer you in the right direction, but she has no concern about the manufacturing processes of all of her cheap plastic products.

The crapumentary also featured some guy claiming for certain that there is a dome over the flat earth and the moon and sun are above it, however, I don't recall him saying this was pure speculation considering he has no proof whatsoever. My shilldar was sounding off pretty rapidly at this point in the video.

Finally, it seems like Mike and the shill gang are implying that only people who do experiments count as real flat earthers. They are taking notes from mainstream media and attempting to steer people to act politically correct by not using certain words and to respect all opinions regardless of facts. Utter bull shit.